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Old 05-18-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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Heroin/fentanyl dealers are murderers, and should be treated as such. Unfortunately, they are not. Even with the new reform, they get off very lightly.
Why isn't anyone from the Pharma industry doing time? They started this Bulls!t
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Why isn't anyone from the Pharma industry doing time? They started this Bulls!t
And the "doctors" who prescribed them...but do you really have to ask that question?
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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The article is logically flawed in that it is implying a relationship between two different sets of statistics where none may actually exist. The largest share of drug overdose deaths are from prescription opioids, not from illegal drugs.
They aren't mutually exclusive; Something can be a prescription opioid and an illegal drug at the same time. A ton of people who get hooked on opiods get hooked on them from recreational use of pills that aren't theirs.
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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The point is that those convicted of Trafficking and Possession w/Intent get off very easy in MA. The article even shows some of that data, if you care to read.
No, the original point you tried to make was that there was a relationship between low conviction rates and overdoes deaths. There actually isn't (tho the article tries to insinuate there is without any evidence)

Furthermore you tried to link that to kids dying. Once again, a claim that has no foundation in any facts presented.
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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You're not going to jailtime our way out of this problem. More prison just costs more money, it won't ever decrease the problem. Just more American political silliness.
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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They aren't mutually exclusive; Something can be a prescription opioid and an illegal drug at the same time. A ton of people who get hooked on opiods get hooked on them from recreational use of pills that aren't theirs.
True, but my point was more that they originated as a legal prescription. 40% of OD deaths are from legal opioid prescriptions according to the CDC
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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The state needs to start looking at judges ruling history. For example, the judge who allowed a heroin dealer caught with 50 bags (not a heroin user!!) to avoid jail time was the same judge who allowed a criminal to make bond and go on to kill a Maine Sheriff. Why bother with laws if you don't get punished when it is truly justified?
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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No, the original point you tried to make was that there was a relationship between low conviction rates and overdoes deaths. There actually isn't (tho the article tries to insinuate there is without any evidence).
Not necessarily, but it's clear that the bleeding heart approach isn't working. MA is a case study on that.


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Furthermore you tried to link that to kids dying. Once again, a claim that has no foundation in any facts presented.
Seriously??? The headline of the article mentions fatal ODs.
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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The state needs to start looking at judges ruling history. For example, the judge who allowed a heroin dealer caught with 50 bags (not a heroin user!!) to avoid jail time was the same judge who allowed a criminal to make bond and go on to kill a Maine Sheriff. Why bother with laws if you don't get punished?
I wonder how lenient he would have been towards one charged with possessing a legally purchased "assault rifle" in their home...
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Old 05-18-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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True, but my point was more that they originated as a legal prescription. 40% of OD deaths are from legal opioid prescriptions according to the CDC
There is a big difference between "originated as" and a legal prescription. Which is it? Giving or selling a narcotic that was legitimately prescribed to you, to another, is a form of dealing. It's also homicidal, in the case of opiates.
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