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[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Not really. You still need the face time to be effective. I telecommuted for years. I spent a lot of time on airplanes getting the face time. You can’t do that from India.

See also: the workers in India capable of critical thinking are no longer that cheap and/or are already in western or other markets outside of India. Sure, one can still off load mindless toil to Indian on the cheap, but that doesn't really change the current landscape in MA.

The bigger threats in my industry seems to be eastern Europe, Italy, etc. where the education is stronger and creative think promoted (depending on the country and culture). But again, cost savings are marginal.

[mdovell]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

The bigger threats in my industry seems to be eastern Europe, Italy, etc. where the education is stronger and creative think promoted (depending on the country and culture). But again, cost savings are marginal.

I was in Central and eastern Europe over the summer and I have a side hobby in Asia (remote) the high end of China is about the low end of Eastern Europe right now. But translation, time zones, energy etc are all factors. It depends what industry you are in. Creativity in Asia? Heck no

[bugelrex]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

See also: the workers in India capable of critical thinking are no longer that cheap and/or are already in western or other markets outside of India. Sure, one can still off load mindless toil to Indian on the cheap, but that doesn't really change the current landscape in MA.

The bigger threats in my industry seems to be eastern Europe, Italy, etc. where the education is stronger and creative think promoted (depending on the country and culture). But again, cost savings are marginal.

If you look around your own office (assuming the work requires sitting infront of a computer) what percentage of workers require deep critical thinking.

In my experience, its about 15 to 20%.. the rest are in danger of outsourcing as the skills gap reduces

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bugelrex

If you look around your own office (assuming the work requires sitting infront of a computer) what percentage of workers require deep critical thinking.

In my experience, its about 15 to 20%.. the rest are in danger of outsourcing as the skills gap reduces

90%+, but we're in consultant services for challenging systems design. Other industries likely vary. Additionally, we've had other teams in India handle some low level design/human factor works and it was underwhelming. The 'polish' was there, but the thinking was not - all show, no go.

[mdovell]

I think that they can generally be a break between your hard sciences and your social sciences. Many people that grew up with the former Soviet Union were very highly integrated into stem fields. By any measure that could figure things out mathematically an engineer quite a bit but what it comes down to it they are totally clueless in social sciences that involved being accountable to a committee, dealing with a budget, dealing with the General Public etc.

The problem with hard Sciences is frankly there usually is very little to set there is no other theories or perspectives on how something happened. Yes of course they're complete disciplines within science feels like a physicist versus a chemist but you don't have nearly the same wide variety that you'd have what's a political science, business, Psychiatry, sociology etc

Examples of various prayers foreign hard Sciences have been blatantly ripped off of the value of the product or they've simply giving it away for free without thinking of any form of a business plan. Sometimes it really is sad because they can get taken advantage of but the reality is if they don't understand how people think rather than just subject based learning they're always going to be behind.