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Old 08-12-2023, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I mean, he's worth $160 billion. So percentage-wise, this is like a normal millionaire donating $600.
I'm not a fan of Jeff Bezos, but $100 million is generous by any definition. Why can't people just be appreciative when someone wants to help instead of find ways to disparage them?
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Old 08-12-2023, 12:44 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Where did you read they didn't have any sirens?

This AP story quotes a resident: The flames left some people with mere minutes to act and led some to flee into the ocean. A Lahaina man, Bosco Bae, posted video on Facebook from Tuesday night that showed fire burning nearly every building on a street as sirens blared and windblown sparks raced by. Bae, who said he was one of the last people to leave the town, was evacuated to the island’s main airport and was waiting to be allowed to return home.

https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-wi...e90dd7f10faa94
Nope. Obviously, people would not have been burned up if communications was adequate.

Some background: According to the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, Maui’s warning sirens were not activated when the Lahaina fire began on Tuesday. But other layers of the emergency warning system were triggered, including mobile phone alerts and messages on televisions and radio stations, spokesperson Adam Weintraub told CNN on Friday.

A CNN review of state and local emergency planning documents has shown the state was ill-prepared for the disaster. Hawaii officials underestimated the deadly threat of wildfires, even as they acknowledged a lack of necessary resources to mitigate them, according to state records.

Hawaii's governor told CNN on Friday that he has ordered a comprehensive review of the state's actions in the hours after several wildfires broke out across the state. He also emphasized factors mentioned by Hartsell, saying wind suddenly reignited the West Maui fire after it appeared to die down — and at a time that resources were stretched thin by other blazes on the islands.
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Old 08-12-2023, 01:04 PM
 
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https://www.kitv.com/news/local/

Here's a local tv station news.
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Old 08-12-2023, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Nope. Obviously, people would not have been burned up if communications was adequate.

Some background: According to the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, Maui’s warning sirens were not activated when the Lahaina fire began on Tuesday. But other layers of the emergency warning system were triggered, including mobile phone alerts and messages on televisions and radio stations, spokesperson Adam Weintraub told CNN on Friday.

A CNN review of state and local emergency planning documents has shown the state was ill-prepared for the disaster. Hawaii officials underestimated the deadly threat of wildfires, even as they acknowledged a lack of necessary resources to mitigate them, according to state records.

Hawaii's governor told CNN on Friday that he has ordered a comprehensive review of the state's actions in the hours after several wildfires broke out across the state. He also emphasized factors mentioned by Hartsell, saying wind suddenly reignited the West Maui fire after it appeared to die down — and at a time that resources were stretched thin by other blazes on the islands.
I saw that - lawsuits will be coming
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Old 08-12-2023, 01:11 PM
 
Location: PNW
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I saw that - lawsuits will be coming
More than that. Every place on earth subject to wildfires needs to get better communications and plans into place. The sirens they do have are related to Tsunamis and that's what people were trained for. There has to be planning and education.

People in certain zones need to learn how to monitor for wildfires and to be situationally aware. It would be nice if there was a national website that included everything; but, it is currently a very localized matter.
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Old 08-12-2023, 02:00 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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I'm not a fan of Jeff Bezos, but $100 million is generous by any definition. Why can't people just be appreciative when someone wants to help instead of find ways to disparage them?
Well, he "pledged" to donate $100 million. We'll see how, when and whether that happens.
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Old 08-12-2023, 02:02 PM
 
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Their siren system is all hazard not just Tsunamis.

https://dod.hawaii.gov/hiema/all-haz...-siren-system/
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Old 08-12-2023, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Well, he "pledged" to donate $100 million. We'll see how, when and whether that happens.
Why such a downer and not be happy for the people of Maui? Bizarre
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Old 08-12-2023, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Mr. Bezos is getting the hang of donating money it says online. Why, his ex since 2019 has donated 14 billion.
100 million here and 100 million there is very nice. Bless you Mr. Bezos.

A guy right there said on TV, Nope, there were no phone or TV Alerts...just mentioning that.
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Old 08-12-2023, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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I'm not a fan of Jeff Bezos, but $100 million is generous by any definition. Why can't people just be appreciative when someone wants to help instead of find ways to disparage them?
And would not most people have insurance for their properties?

I have a friend who works for the Red Cross in disaster relief. She worked after both the fires in NSW of 2019/20 and then after the floods in early 2022. Unfortunately a lot of people claim relief they are not entitled to. Then there is a big issue in the communities of people with insurance feeling resentful if they do not get donated aid too. I imagine the same issues will arise for Maui.

I also imagine that there will also be a big issue with rebuilding any properties that are only partly destroyed. We had this problem when there was a direct hit to Hamilton Island from a cyclone in 2017. We have an apartment there and even though only twenty years old there was the need to upgrade some parts as it did not comply with the current fire regulations. One highrise has taken five years to be repaired as the compliance issue ended up in court.
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