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Old 11-07-2010, 08:33 AM
 
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All those "Americans" lived over there and were from there, their families are Mexican. I think it's wrong that the news stories leave that little detail out and make it seem as though hapless American tourists are going over there and bam! someone just shoots them for no reason.
That little detail hasn't been left out of the news stories I've seen, and besides those are the only "Americans" going over there.

Ya know, I haven't seen any reports of American "tourists" killed on the streets of Mogadishu, either. So I guess it's safe to go to Somalia as long as one is not involved in the piracy trade?
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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That little detail hasn't been left out of the news stories I've seen, and besides those are the only "Americans" going over there.

Ya know, I haven't seen any reports of American "tourists" killed on the streets of Mogadishu, either. So I guess it's safe to go to Somalia as long as one is not involved in the piracy trade?
They aren't the only US citizens or US legal residents going over there. I know a woman (not hispanic) who goes over 3 or 4 times a week because she does charity work in a poor colonia, and there are those who run the maquilas. And a lot of people living on this side go over to visit family and many people still live in Juarez and commute daily to schools or work here. They could easily relocate to this side but for whatever reasons remain living over there. They say they aren't afraid. Or they are sort of afraid because if they have to get to work very early, they say they run all the stop signs and red lights - they boogey on over as quick as they can.

People that live there who have no enemies say they aren't afraid inside their own homes - which all look like fortresses now, but they don't go out after dark any more. It's definitely not a normal life there any more, people stay home and not very many "typical" Americans go there any more although I think some still do.

I just think it's misleading to make it seem that US citizens are being targetted for being US citizens when they're really targetted as Mexicans.

If the cartels wanted to shoot and kill Americans, it would be extremely easy. They could just come over here and get us, or they could shoot at vehicles on I-10 or other streets.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:29 AM
 
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Like this one:

Tenía aquí antecedentes penales, paseño ligado a masacre en Juárez | El_Paso | Diario.com.mx

I can just see the American news media headlines if they get wind of this case:

"American tourist found Beheaded in Juarez"

and this article gives a good perspective about the so-called American citizens over there, many involved in cartel and gang activities:

Caso revive involucramiento de ‘americanos’ en criminalidad transfronteriza | El_Paso | Diario.com.mx

Of course American tourists aren't going over there in large numbers any more - but still not one American tourist has been killed doing so. I sure wouldn't advise anyone to go over there for any reason, just pay extra and buy your licquor, blankets, dentists over here. The bullets from shoot-outs would be risky enough but certainly the risk of being a victim of a carjacking is too high.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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I just think it's misleading to make it seem that US citizens are being targetted for being US citizens when they're really targetted as Mexicans.
And I don't think any such misleading is going on. I challenge you to provide a link to a mainstream media report of these latest American victims that omit "that little detail" that they lived there or were visiting family there. You keep blasting the "media" for making it seem like it is ordinary tourists being offed and I haven't seen even one article that suggested or implied that. At most, an initial story might say it was not clear why the victim was over there, until the facts are gathered.

I agree with you on many aspects of this issue but I get tired of how every critic (not pointing a finger at you) conveniently blasts the "media" for misrepresenting or sensationalizing these events that really do happen and really are bad.

Would it be better if the American media emulated the local Mexican media and just pretended it didn't happen? Only in Mexico could you have shootings that leave dozens dead including half a dozen police, and the local news makes no mention of it at all.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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Like this one:

Tenía aquí antecedentes penales, paseño ligado a masacre en Juárez | El_Paso | Diario.com.mx

I can just see the American news media headlines if they get wind of this case:

"American tourist found Beheaded in Juarez"

and this article gives a good perspective about the so-called American citizens over there, many involved in cartel and gang activities:

Caso revive involucramiento de ‘americanos’ en criminalidad transfronteriza | El_Paso | Diario.com.mx

Of course American tourists aren't going over there in large numbers any more - but still not one American tourist has been killed doing so. I sure wouldn't advise anyone to go over there for any reason, just pay extra and buy your licquor, blankets, dentists over here. The bullets from shoot-outs would be risky enough but certainly the risk of being a victim of a carjacking is too high.
Rather than engaging in speculative straw men, how about showing where the American news media has ever run such a story in such a case.

Why would you advise against tourists going over there? You say not one has been killed. It seems odd that you criticize the media for what you perceive as making it seem that it's dangerous for tourists to go over there yet you yourself advise against tourists going over there because it's too dangerous.
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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Mexico is a wonderful country -- the problem is this...the portion of the Mexico population that comes to the US comes here because they have to, but there are MANY MANY Mexican people in Mexico who are doing perfectly fine where they are and don't have any intention on ever coming to the US (contrary to US popular belief). (I spent three weeks in Mexico btw, and have extended family there, as it's my mother's native country, and I am of fully Spanish ancestry.) Truth be told in Mexico as in much of Latin America economic well-being is tied to race; yes, there are light-skinned Mexican citizens of fully Spanish descent. Americans only see one side of the picture and then generalize it and stereotype an entire large country completely.
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Old 11-11-2010, 09:09 AM
 
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USA contributes to create a bad image of México

Wrong ~~ Mexico does a fine job of that all by their selves...
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Limestone,TN/Bucerias, Mexico
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USA contributes to create a bad image of México

Wrong ~~ Mexico does a fine job of that all by their selves...
That's sort of like saying that all Afghans and/or Iraquis and/or North Koreans and or all Pakistanis and Saudies are contributing to the bad image of their countries. Fact is, it is the criminal group of drug cartels who have created this horrible image of Mexico - the vast majority of Mexicanos are kind, hard-working, peace-loving and friendly people, which the US media has painted with a broad brush stroke. The other fact is that not even these frightening media reports have prevented the flow of tourists back to Mexico. Our recent Continental flight was completely full as was a Frontier flight that came in right behind us. The terror the cartels wreak is mostly in the northern border states (for entry into US drug markets), thousands of miles from the popular tourist areas.
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Old 11-11-2010, 09:31 PM
 
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Mexico has the equivilent of the mob trying to take over the country. Calderone came in and rocked the drug cartel's world and they fought back and you get all this hell.

Then you also have a problem with people not wanting any education.

The latinos in the Los Angeles area are flunking out like it's a badge of honor.

They also tend to grab all welfare state stuff they can find.

So it's a mixed bag and I think Mexico and their people get the reputation they earned.
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:58 PM
 
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19/08/2010

Santander (Spain), (EFE) .- The "lack of strength in the information" and the use of figures "shocking" by the United States contribute to creating an image "opposite" of Mexico, said today organized crime investigator Center for International Studies at El Colegio de Mexico (CEICM), Fernando Escalante.

Escalante, which participated in a meeting on the bicentennial of the independence of Mexico organized by the Universidad Internacional Menéndez Pelayo (UIMP) in Santander (northern Spain), as an example the data that different EU institutions like the DEA (Drug Office) , Southern Command or the Department of State, on the volume of business generated by drug trafficking.

While the DEA says that volume amounts to 100,000 million dollars, the other institutions working with figures of between 19,000 and 30,000 million dollars, said the representative of CEICM.

However, Elliott said that the Mexican Government has estimated at $ 5.000 million cash generated together drug trafficking, migrant remittances and the cash spent by foreigners in their country.

In this line, the expert stressed that since EU warns of the dangers of traveling to Mexico, when in fact "two Americans die every year" for homicide in Mexico, a rate much lower than the 5.2 deaths per hundred thousand U.S. .

Escalante also describes the "fantasy image" that society has about drug trafficking, augmented by the media, which in turn have led to the "spectacle" of the murders, because the drug cartels know that a murder flashy " be first page of a newspaper. "

However, the expert avoided to speculate about the reasons that lead to the U.S. to give this image of its southern neighbor, and said that, despite everything, relations between both countries are "good."

Escalante also commented on the controversial Immigration Act of Arizona (USA), making it a crime the presence of a person without a legal permit, which authorizes the police to ask for papers and detain persons suspected of being undocumented.

In this regard, the specialist believes that the EU-Mexico border "offers political returns" for part of the "political class" and suggested an analogy with the expulsion of Roma by the French government decreed that "the right wins votes "and" capitalizing on a media issue, "which does not mean that France" will be fighting with Bulgaria or Romania. "

In the same vein, the director of the College of Mexico, Javier Garciadiego, called "double business' use of Mexican immigrants by politicians" and local sheriffs "in the U.S..

"They say they will tighten the border," he added Garciadiego-but let them happen because companies do not survive without them. "
I don't think the U.S. (or anyone for that matter) has to do anything to make Mexico look bad, it does so all on its own.
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