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On a totally different unrelated subject: Several years ago it was reported that the state with the most amount of people who view porn on a regular basis are the people living in the Mormon-centered state of Utah.
Yeah, it is totally unrelated, which makes me wonder why you even bothered to bring it up. Since you did, though, allow me to point out something that you may not have considered. In Utah, unlike the majority of the states in this country, it is impossible to buy porn through any retail outlets at all. The only way in which a person can view porn is online (which is what the study was reporting). People in other states don't have to go online for their porn, which is the real reason why the stats appear to be incriminating. In other words, you can pretty much make statistics say anything you want them to.
Do you think Mexicans trust American cops and prosecutors and judges?
Does anyone think that Americans trust American cops and prosecutors and judges?
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In other words, you can pretty much make statistics say anything you want them to.
Anyone in a position of authority and/or power can pretty much make anything look like they want it to...including circumstantial evidence and/or statistics.
Yeah, it is totally unrelated, which makes me wonder why you even bothered to bring it up. Since you did, though, allow me to point out something that you may not have considered. In Utah, unlike the majority of the states in this country, it is impossible to buy porn through any retail outlets at all. The only way in which a person can view porn is online (which is what the study was reporting). People in other states don't have to go online for their porn, which is the real reason why the stats appear to be incriminating. In other words, you can pretty much make statistics say anything you want them to.
I think the point was that many people who outwardly claim to be devout and are members of a restrictive religion are not really all that transformed by that religion and share the foibles that the rest of us have.
There was a study I read that Catholics had more sex than do the rest of the population. The conclusion was that repression increased anxiety in the sexual realm which stimulated the need for more. That's why guilt often does not moderate behavior, but feeds into creating more of it.
I don't have a hard time in thinking that this Mormon need for porn, all other things factored in, may actually be greater than that of the population at large.
And I don't think the comment is off topic at all. Someone said a good Mormon woman would not break the law in such a way. The answer is that she certainly could, that church rules do not necessarily moderate behavoir.
I don't have a hard time in thinking that this Mormon need for porn, all other things factored in, may actually be greater than that of the population at large.
Well, to each his own. The "need" for porn seems to cross all religions. I was merely explaining why the findings of that particular study need to be understood within the context of Utah laws.
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And I don't think the comment is off topic at all.
Oh, I think it definitely was. The topic of this thread was drug smuggling, not pornography. I get your point, but I still say the statement was more of a general jab against Mormonism. "Look... Mormons watch a lot of porn;" (completely unverifiable, to begin with) "It stands to reason that they also smuggle drugs." I just don't buy into that kind of reasoning myself.
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Someone said a good Mormon woman would not break the law in such a way. The answer is that she certainly could, that church rules do not necessarily moderate behavoir.
Actually, a "good Mormon" wouldn't, because "good Mormons" are law-abiding, whether their actions are moderated by the Church or not. A not-so-good-Mormon could very well have been guilty of smuggling drugs. It would surprise me if more than a few not-so-good-Mormons (along with a few not-so-good-Catholics and a few not-so-good-Protestants) have been justly accused of drug smuggling. I don't think this particular "good Mormon" was in any way, shape or form likely to have committed the crime she was accused of.
Well, it was good fortune that there was a video of her/them getting on the bus. I suspect that this is not customary.
More and more, it's becoming customary. Why? Because of the skyrocketing levels of crime and terrorism in the country. the video-taping might not be done on every route, but on certain routes in certain regions where the problem is the most pronounced. Had there not been the video of her boarding the bus, I doubt she would have been freed as easily. Maybe not at all. Changes to Mexico's criminal justice system, the judiciary, probably made the release all the easier because previously proceedings were for the most part closed and attorneys pushed paper back and forth to judges and prosecutors, many of whom hand their hands-out soliciting bribes. Under the Calderon administration new laws were passed and slow but sure open, more transparent, court proceedings are being instituted in the country. The system is far, far from perfect or accepable ... but it is getting better.
More and more, it's becoming customary. Why? Because of the skyrocketing levels of crime and terrorism in the country. the video-taping might not be done on every route, but on certain routes in certain regions where the problem is the most pronounced. Had there not been the video of her boarding the bus, I doubt she would have been freed as easily. Maybe not at all. Changes to Mexico's criminal justice system, the judiciary, probably made the release all the easier because previously proceedings were for the most part closed and attorneys pushed paper back and forth to judges and prosecutors, many of whom hand their hands-out soliciting bribes. Under the Calderon administration new laws were passed and slow but sure open, more transparent, court proceedings are being instituted in the country. The system is far, far from perfect or accepable ... but it is getting better.
The usual bad attitude. Odd that you think everyone is trying to take advantage somehow, we foreigners in Mexico are taking advantage of the system always lying, cheating, and my favorite, we are economic refugees and the Mexicans can't ever have an honest judicial system because they are getting bribes.
Here's the deal, she was arrested supposedly based upon a false witness and when evidence proved she was innocent, she was released. All this happened within a week. If it had happened in the U.S., she would still be locked up.
Most public places have cameras. In the U.S. there are very few places without cameras and it is not because of drug cartels and kidnappings.
The bus station had cameras and the judge saw the video of her entering the bus and the charges were dismissed. End of story.
The usual bad attitude. Odd that you think everyone is trying to take advantage somehow, we foreigners in Mexico are taking advantage of the system always lying, cheating, and my favorite, we are economic refugees and the Mexicans can't ever have an honest judicial system because they are getting bribes.
Well, if you're describing yourself in the comments above, who am I to disagree?
Well, if you're describing yourself in the comments above, who am I to disagree?
I haven't taken advantage of any Mexican program even the ones that are there for me to use. Did some American or Canadian do something bad to you and that is why you are so sure that we are all disadvantaged, poor, economic refugees and takers? How is it that we misguided you so badly that you think people who own million dollar homes are in Mexico for the Social giveaways? I wouldn't want to work as a maid either but if an employer doesn't pay you, in Mexico it is easier for you to collect your wages so don't blame all foreigners for what one foreigner might have done to you.
Well, to each his own. The "need" for porn seems to cross all religions. I was merely explaining why the findings of that particular study need to be understood within the context of Utah laws.
Oh, I think it definitely was. The topic of this thread was drug smuggling, not pornography. I get your point, but I still say the statement was more of a general jab against Mormonism. "Look... Mormons watch a lot of porn;" (completely unverifiable, to begin with) "It stands to reason that they also smuggle drugs." I just don't buy into that kind of reasoning myself.
Actually, a "good Mormon" wouldn't, because "good Mormons" are law-abiding, whether their actions are moderated by the Church or not. A not-so-good-Mormon could very well have been guilty of smuggling drugs. It would surprise me if more than a few not-so-good-Mormons (along with a few not-so-good-Catholics and a few not-so-good-Protestants) have been justly accused of drug smuggling. I don't think this particular "good Mormon" was in any way, shape or form likely to have committed the crime she was accused of.
Why, do you know her?
How do any of us know how 'good' this lady was?
Please don't think I am holding her under any more suspicion than any who were on the bus that day. All I am saying is 'I don't know'.
You're right that being a member, even a practicing one, of any religion should not bias us one way or another on whether or not a person is a criminal.
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Since you did, though, allow me to point out something that you may not have considered. In Utah, unlike the majority of the states in this country, it is impossible to buy porn through any retail outlets at all. The only way in which a person can view porn is online (which is what the study was reporting). People in other states don't have to go online for their porn, which is the real reason why the stats appear to be incriminating. In other words, you can pretty much make statistics say anything you want them to.
