[sweet life]

Originally Posted by kooks35

The beauty of those "evil" for profit insurance companies is that you can fire them and go to someone else if you aren't getting the coverage you want.

But you can't afford to fire your insurance company if there is no requirement for the new company to cover pre-existing conditions.

[Luzette]

Originally Posted by sweet life

But you can't afford to fire your insurance company if there is no requirement for the new company to cover pre-existing conditions.

Exactly. Anyone with pre-existing conditions simply has had no where to go to get coverage.

[kooks35]

Originally Posted by sweet life

But you can't afford to fire your insurance company if there is no requirement for the new company to cover pre-existing conditions.

Sure you can, it will just cost more. Much like car insurance, if you get into a lot of accidents its going to cost you more.

The simpliest way to take care of the pre-existing condition issue is to break the tie between health insurance and employment. Give individuals the same deduciton that employers get for buying health insurance. You would then buy your own policy and wouldn't have to worry about it lapsing if you change jobs. You'd also get the difference in what your employer is paying for your policy in salary as it looks exactly the same on a balance sheet to the company.

[YAZ]

Sorry to hear about your brother, Jay.

Bottom line:

We're gonna pay more for health insurance and get less service.

Welcome to Amerika.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by YAZ

Bottom line:

We're gonna pay more for health insurance and get less service.

Welcome to Amerika.

Amerika voted for change in the last election. Now you are gonna get it.

[cosmicrowbar]

Originally Posted by kooks35

Ever notice how those countries have higher unemployment, slower growth and a lower standard of living than the US? Check out the wait times to see a doc there as well. If you wind up in one of those countries I recommend you don't get cancer. Its easy to spend half as much when you just don't treat people and aren't afraid to let people die.

Well thank you for the regurgitated Republican talking points. Explain to me how high unemployment, slow growth and a lower standard of living is a result of society paying half as much for healthcare and getting better measurable results. I'll not hold my breath.

I'm not sure Germans, Swiss or French people feel they have a lower standard of living. Do yourself a favor and visit those places before you make such judgements.

And your last sentence is pure propagandistic BS. If these countries "don't treat people" and "aren't afraid to let people die" it follows that a simple number like life expectancy would show this, no?
This list, put together by the radical socialist CIA, shows the US as 50th in life expectancy.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html


Earlier today I read a pretty illuminating examination by Pulitzer Prize winning Politifact of House Speaker Boehner's assertion that we have the "best health care in the world". It's worth a few minutes to read it.
PolitiFact | John Boehner says U.S. health care system is best in world

[ram2]

Originally Posted by cosmicrowbar

I'm not sure Germans, Swiss or French people feel they have a lower standard of living. Do yourself a favor and visit those places before you make such judgements.

I did visit those places and noticed a large percentage of the population lives in apartments because they cannot afford a house.

[Nephler]

This "Obama Care" stuff cracks me up.
Remember when the GOP had just about the same damn proposal? It's was okay then, but now and it's just about the same damn thing, even the tax/penalty and people are up at arms. Stupid!

[cosmicrowbar]

Originally Posted by ram2

I did visit those places and noticed a large percentage of the population lives in apartments because they cannot afford a house.

A large percentage of the population of Manhattan NYC lives in apartments. Manhattan is New York county, the 12th richest county in the entire USA. What's up with that? They're too poor to afford houses too?
And you interviewed the German, French and Swiss apartment dwellers to discover they lived where they did because they couldn't afford houses? Wouldn't have anything to do with those countries being much smaller than the USA and having land use policies that encourage apartment living and discourage use of large plots of land for single family homes, would it?
So far, all you've got is broad pronouncements about how inferior everyone else is, with not so much as a fact or figure or link or anything to back it up.
Yawn...
Though it's not as much fun as tossing off cute but meaningless one liners, you might devote a few minutes to reading this insightful piece published in 2009 by the noted Socialist rag, Forbes. It points out the good and bad about the German system, including the illuminating poll that 80 some percent of Germans are happy with their private insurance...about the same approval percentage of subscribers to the German national health system. And no death panels
Read on...
Beyond Hysterics: The Health Care Model That Works - Forbes.com

[cosmicrowbar]

Originally Posted by Nephler

This "Obama Care" stuff cracks me up.
Remember when the GOP had just about the same damn proposal? It's was okay then, but now and it's just about the same damn thing, even the tax/penalty and people are up at arms. Stupid!

LOL Romney is doing his best head-over-heels flip-flop to try and avoid the fact that "Obamacare" is pretty much the same thing he championed as governor of Mass.
And John McCain was all for Dream Act type ways of dealing with immigration until Obama thought it was a good idea too. Now it's a huge mistake.
Talk about chasing their own tail....