[michigan83]

Green jobs are going to save the day !!

Our CFO at my place of employment has a funny little saying: "Green is Red."

As in, "going green" puts you "in the red." Fortunately for us, we are funded by tuition money and taxpayers, so we can afford to spend three times as much for an eco-friendly coffee cup We just pass it on to everybody else...

[Bluefly]

Originally Posted by michigan83

Our CFO at my place of employment has a funny little saying: "Green is Red."

As in, "going green" puts you "in the red." Fortunately for us, we are funded by tuition money and taxpayers, so we can afford to spend three times as much for an eco-friendly coffee cup We just pass it on to everybody else...

Well, then your CFO isn't very creative and perhaps indicative of what happened to Detroit when the Japanese came in in the 80s.

Read the book "Natural Capitalism". Going green is about avoiding wasteful spending on electricity, water, materials and finding creative ways to produce products and services in a manner that maximizes profits and minimizes waste. It can be very profitable if you see it as an integral part of your operation rather than this simplistic notion that it's a begrudging social service you must perform at the expense of your profits.

This mindset of just waiting for someone to throw a high paying job is the death knell of Southern Michigan. Create the ideas, the innovations for the future. Don't just complain when people create jobs that don't pay you a king's ransom to do menial labor.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by michigan83

Our CFO at my place of employment has a funny little saying: "Green is Red."

As in, "going green" puts you "in the red." Fortunately for us, we are funded by tuition money and taxpayers, so we can afford to spend three times as much for an eco-friendly coffee cup We just pass it on to everybody else...

Your CFO doesn't sound very smart, or at least he's not very well educated on the subject. What university or college do you work for? Universities are some of the best organizations to save money by switching to high energy efficiency facilities and green practices, because they usually own the buildings they use (longer service life), which gives them a better chance for payback (ROI).

Invite your CFO to sit down with an experienced architectural firm. He will be shocked at how much money they can save by going green.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by magellan

You (and CNN) expect a production line job, requiring very little post-high-school education, to pay more than $10 - $12/hour to start?

Sorry , like I said before I wasn't UAW , and never worked on an a line. And yes I do expect to make more than $12 an hour for 17 years of experience in a trade.

That being said If I got a call to do my previous job for $12 an hour I'd jump on it. I didn't say I had to like it !

[FESTER]

Originally Posted by tjay

$12 an hour is poverty? i guess if you have to live in a mini mansion, with an hd flat screen tv, excess food from sams club, a gas guzzling suv, property up north, designer clothes, and a golf membership.

its called being a consumer *****, we don't need all this sh*t. we need a warm place to sleep, food to eat, and running water. everything else is excess. but many people in america couldn't grasp that if it saved their lives.

Yes it is called being a consumer. And all that "sh*t" you seem to have a dislike for are the very things that drive our economy. The meager goals you seem to have set for yourself are fine for you. But for myself, I aim a bit higher than just getting by. I for one refuse to accept America, that's with a capital "A", becoming a third world country.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by FESTER

Yes it is called being a consumer. And all that "sh*t" you seem to have a dislike for are the very things that drive our economy. The meager goals you seem to have set for yourself are fine for you. But for myself, I aim a bit higher than just getting by. I for one refuse to accept America, that's with a capital "A", becoming a third world country.

VERY good post.

[YAZ]

"Going Green" means that you're gonna spend double for your utilities in the future. It's a new tax, plain and simple. The Cap & Trade program is one of the first steps in the destruction of capitalism.

We're not far away from "involuntarily" setting our thermostat at 65 degrees in January. Or 90 in July, for that matter.

Welcome to Socialism; where the liberal mind set knows better than you.

Ya see, they're so much smarter than the rest of us....

[YAZ]

Originally Posted by magellan

You (and CNN) expect a production line job, requiring very little post-high-school education, to pay more than $10 - $12/hour to start?

Yes. Burger King pays that for a night shift position.

Ever work on a line?

I'm not pickin' on ya, just sayin'....

It takes skill to do that, believe it or not.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by YAZ

Yes. Burger King pays that for a night shift position.

Ever work on a line?

I'm not pickin' on ya, just sayin'....

It takes skill to do that, believe it or not.

I worked as a Quality Assurance Manager at a plastics company for five years. I know very well the inside of a manufacturing environment. And pickin parts from an injection molding machine or a metal stamping press does not require a skillset worth more than $10 - $12/hour. Just because the end product is something "green", doesn't mean it should pay more.

This thread is interesting. People are complaining that upfront costs for going green are higher (despite long term costs being lower), but they also would like green production workers to make more money, driving up costs.

Also, "green" is a very big term. There are a lot of green features that don't require cap and trade, or taxes, or socialism. Actually, much of it has to do with buildings and equipment consuming less energy. So you save money and it's better for the environment (which I imagine most people view as a good thing).

[tjay]

Originally Posted by FESTER

Yes it is called being a consumer. And all that "sh*t" you seem to have a dislike for are the very things that drive our economy. The meager goals you seem to have set for yourself are fine for you. But for myself, I aim a bit higher than just getting by. I for one refuse to accept America, that's with a capital "A", becoming a third world country.

no, its called being a consumer wh*re. i'm not saying to go back to living in shacks with no electricity, but how many garages do you see FULL OF JUNK? does a human being really need all that? does it have to be polluting our world with crap just so everyone can have their hd tv? i would hardly call being genuinely happy a 'meager goal'. when people realize that 'stuff' does not make them 'happy' i'd say we were getting somewhere. i do find it humorous that you call living without all those materials you think you need a 'third world country'. we are a spoiled, materialistic and fat nation. i do not see this as a positive healthy thing. but whatever makes you happy.