Milwaukee drunkest city (Woodman: bars, discount, best)

[43north87west]

Originally Posted by svicious22

Trinitylove sounds like a real wet blanket...in addition to being a tad condescending. Yes, it's part of the culture for many in WI and Milwaukee, that's the way it is and the way many like it-nothing "sad" about it unless you are one of the minority contracting cirrhosis of the liver, racking up DUIs or committing domestic abuse under the influence.

That's how I read it, although the OP's user name set off my fire and brimstone alarm before I read the first word. When someone wears religion on their sleeve, I'm immediately suspicious that the user will be preaching from moral high ground, which always seems to be highest at the point on which the person preaching, stands. Just saying.

[Harrier]

Milwaukee is a menace to sobriety?

[svicious22]

Very true Boulevardier, very true.

Harrier, I'd phrase it more like if you CHOOSE not to be sober for a time, then Milwaukee will kindly accommodate you in myriad ways.

[Trinitylove]

Originally Posted by 43north87west

If you don't have an idea or an opinion about what the cause could be, how can you presume it to be a symptom of something greater?

I can presume it to be a symptom of something greater, because whenever there is an epidemic of self-destructive behavior/addiction/disease, the root cause is internal and manifests itself externally.
Nobody who drinks excessively does it "just because." There is an underlying cause from within.
I can't determine what that is for each person.

[Trinitylove]

I wonder how differently the direction of this thread would have gone had I praised the results of the study on drunkenness/excessive alcohol use.

What if I had been all "woooohooooo!! yeah! go Milwaukee! party hardy! let's show the country how to really drink! ?

I bet there would be a lot of people chiming in with virtual high fives and thumbs up all over the place.

[Trinitylove]

Originally Posted by svicious22

Trinitylove sounds like a real wet blanket...in addition to being a tad condescending. Yes, it's part of the culture for many in WI and Milwaukee, that's the way it is and the way many like it-nothing "sad" about it unless you are one of the minority contracting cirrhosis of the liver, racking up DUIs or committing domestic abuse under the influence.

The whole entire point of this thread is that there is NOT a minority in the Milwaukee/Wisconsin area. The point is that the users/abusers/dependents/victims are NOT in the minority.
Any study on alcoholism and the excessive use of alcohol in Wisconsin will show you that.
I mean, if there was a minority, why would this even be an issue? Why would there be dozens of studies proving otherwise?

Anyway, think of me what you will my fellow Wisconsinites, write up your profiles/assumptions/views of me however inaccurate you'd like.

I do not find anything positive in what the studies and findings show about the alcohol culture. Never will.
I'm out

[43north87west]

Originally Posted by Trinitylove

I can presume it to be a symptom of something greater, because whenever there is an epidemic of self-destructive behavior/addiction/disease, the root cause is internal and manifests itself externally.
Nobody who drinks excessively does it "just because." There is an underlying cause from within.
I can't determine what that is for each person.

These are regional statistics we're looking at. Every car accident has a cause. But if a region has twice as many car accidents as another region, the factor is probably not because every single driver is inattentive, or every single driver is color blind. It might be environmental (ice, snow, fog), or it might be related to poorly marked intersections. Or congestion related.

Since the topic was started as a regional discussion, and you asserted that the statistics were a symptom of something greater, you have to have an idea about what it is. There probably is a factor, or many factors, which drive these statistics. If so, what could it be, or what could they be?

Some example questions that might steer you: Does one group of people skew the statistics more than another? Why do Seattle drinkers drink 1.6 drinks less per month than Milwaukee drinkers (14.1 per month for Seattle, vs 15.7 per month for Milwaukee)? Or looking at it another way, what makes the top 25, or the top 10, or the top 3, similar to each other? Or are the factors unique to each city? Is it weather related? Age related? Race? Number of students? Patterns of migration or population stability? Does Milwaukee's #3 status relate to Chicago's #5 status? Why isn't Salt Lake City on the list?

If someone were to ask me what I thought, I'd guess that it had something to do with a lot of Milwaukee being built on making beer. Historically, alcohol was one of the major industries. Chicago is right down the street from Milwaukee... but I don't know if that factor would also apply to Chicago, or if Chicago could have its very own factors.

What do you think might be the reason, or even just a reason, that qualifies Milwaukee, or even any of the top cities, to claim their place on the list?

[svicious22]

I wonder how differently the direction of this thread would have gone had I praised the results of the study on drunkenness/excessive alcohol use.

What if I had been all "woooohooooo!! yeah! go Milwaukee! party hardy! let's show the country how to really drink! ?

I bet there would be a lot of people chiming in with virtual high fives and thumbs up all over the place.

Um, hardly. This board doesn't attract such a sophomoric crowd. That you paint people who drink with such absurdly large brushstrokes speaks volumes about your inability to see nuance in life or people's chosen lifestyles. As you said, "I'm out"-good, stay out, the city of Milwaukee doesn't need simpletons like you passing judgment.

[Harrier]

I accept all nations except Carrie!

[scorpio125]

Milwaukee sucked before the study came out and will suck long after.

Its a crummy town that thinks they are BIG CITY. LOL what a joke.