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And--once again, this survey shows how many IP kids at Southwest take IB tests and nothing more....if you ask anyone in education they will all say the same thing, it's meaningless because it really doesn't test any substantial information about the quality of the school. Keep in mind that kids don't have to PASS any of these tests, just take them, so a school that requires all kids to take one test get's ranked #1--meaningless....especially when they are comparing schools where 100's of kids take the AP tests to Southwest's 20 or 30 kids in the IB program...meaningless....
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I don't know if I would say that the list is meaningless...it correlates with a lot of people's opinions about best schools. I think that if one was to argue the best schools it may be missing Mound-Westonka, Mounds view, and Wayzata. Ultimately, every high school is based on some type of fundamental achievement. different fundamentals will breed different results--but, usually the top 10 toggle amongst themselves.
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"Best High School" means that it had the most kids take at least one IB and AP exams. If I was an administrator, I bet I could figure out how to up my schools ranking pretty easily. Note that Southwest has more IB participants than students who are proficient in math on the state exams.
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I did find the Strib article. It didn't sound like there was an overwhelming movement to Southwest. I still think there's likely more movement to the suburban districts out that direction than to SW. If I'm looking at the same article, it was more about kids continuing NOT to choose North, rather than many of them flocking to Southwest specifically (although it did cite one bus that went to SW). Kids who qualify for the Choice is Yours have had that option for quite some time now. The story seemed to be more about the difficulties in changing existing trends, rather than anything new. Choice is Yours kids have, I think, been able to come to Southwest for as long as the program has been around, while North Minneapolis kids who don't qualify for that have a much tougher time getting into SW these days because of space limitations. (back when I was in school there there were more spaces available, and because IB was more limited the magnet program drew on a much larger swath of the city. That's no longer the case.). In any case, not questioning whether or not north kids are choosing SW -- I just don't believe think there's been any big change on that front.
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And--once again, this survey shows how many IP kids at Southwest take IB tests and nothing more....if you ask anyone in education they will all say the same thing, it's meaningless because it really doesn't test any substantial information about the quality of the school. Keep in mind that kids don't have to PASS any of these tests, just take them, so a school that requires all kids to take one test get's ranked #1--meaningless....especially when they are comparing schools where 100's of kids take the AP tests to Southwest's 20 or 30 kids in the IB program...meaningless....
Now I respect your right to have an opinion, however unfounded it is, but I wish you would please, please, get your facts right -- we've gone over this countless times, and your ongoing assertion that there are only 20 or 30 kids in the IB program is simply factually wrong. There's no room around THAT. You're just flat-out totally wrong, and given that you've had this pointed out many, many times (or could just look up the numbers yourself if you don't believe people on this board) it's rather irresponsible to continue to spout numbers that you know are incorrect.
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....especially when they are comparing schools where 100's of kids take the AP tests to Southwest's 20 or 30 kids in the IB program...meaningless....
Once again, as uptown_urbanist points out, you are way, way off on this number, to such a degree that it can only be based on imagination.
As of July, 2008, Southwest had 750 students, about one-third of its student body, enrolled in the IB program. I'm sure more recent numbers are available, but I only spent 60 seconds finding this data.
http://ibmn.org/pdf/IB%20Profile%20S...st%2007-08.pdf
Do you care to retract your statement now?
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Once again, as uptown_urbanist points out, you are way, way off on this number, to such a degree that it can only be based on imagination.
As of July, 2008, Southwest had 750 students, about one-third of its student body, enrolled in the IB program. I'm sure more recent numbers are available, but I only spent 60 seconds finding this data.
http://ibmn.org/pdf/IB%20Profile%20S...st%2007-08.pdf
Do you care to retract your statement now?
Again, you are comparing 1/3 of a school population to schools where 70+% of the kids take at least 1 AP test....again, the results are meaningless as it does not evaluate any output data and as northsub pointed out, only 48% of those kids are passing the tests, that is more telling than anything I think....
Feel free to keep thinking that SW is actually a "good" school, it is a school that has a handful of good students, that is quite different. What about the other 8o% of the kids that aren't graduating or barely pass their classes, let's talk about them for a while shall we? How about the 95+% graduation rate in the other schools around the state? How about talking about a meaningful measure of a school vs kids taking, yes TAKING, but not PASSING a test, one test....
Also, if you examine the data from USNWR, only 73% of the seniors in the IB program took an IB test, and of those kids they averaged a little over 2 tests each and only 66% passing rate on those tests and only 7.9% of the student body is full IB, so again you are comparing a VERY small portion of that school to the majority of the kids at the other schools....
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Now I respect your right to have an opinion, however unfounded it is, but I wish you would please, please, get your facts right -- we've gone over this countless times, and your ongoing assertion that there are only 20 or 30 kids in the IB program is simply factually wrong. There's no room around THAT. You're just flat-out totally wrong, and given that you've had this pointed out many, many times (or could just look up the numbers yourself if you don't believe people on this board) it's rather irresponsible to continue to spout numbers that you know are incorrect.
88 kids at Southwest passed an IB test....according to USSWR that is..feel free to run the numbers yourself
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I don't know if I would say that the list is meaningless...it correlates with a lot of people's opinions about best schools. I think that if one was to argue the best schools it may be missing Mound-Westonka, Mounds view, and Wayzata. Ultimately, every high school is based on some type of fundamental achievement. different fundamentals will breed different results--but, usually the top 10 toggle amongst themselves.
They are listed, but slightly farther down...
Mounds View #13
Wayzata #16
Mound-Westonka #17
05-08-2012, 06:58 PM
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Again, you are comparing 1/3 of a school population to schools where 70+% of the kids take at least 1 AP test....again, the results ....etc., etc.
No, I am not. I am demonstrating that your statement that there were 20-30 kids in Southwest's IB program was wildly inaccurate. Nice try at changing the subject from your error, though. So, we get that retraction now?
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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