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Old 09-16-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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Here you go. My coworker's son was Anthony Rosario. He was a Catholic High School honor student. His father was an engineer at Con Ed who worked two offices down from mine. He was active in the community and owned a brownstone in Manhattan's Spanish Harlem. You can google it, but here is the main story which was told in the 2002 Documentary "Justifiable Homicide".

The 2002 documentary "Justifiable Homicide" tells how a crook named Rodriguez who called the police was operating a phoney green card racket and was under the protection of the police. That is why they came when he called. The boys were there earlier with empty guns showing to demand Rodriguez give them back the $500 he had taken to provide a greencard he never delivered to the girlfriend of one of the boys. He told them to come back later for the money and had the cops waiting to execute them when they returned.

Also here's the Daily News story of the way the NYPD and Mayor's Giuliani ridiculed the mother's claims and ignored the civilian complaint review board's findings. The federal government also failed to do anything with a civil rights complaint. She eventually won her civil lawsuit against the city under the Bloomberg administration.


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Bronx mom of teen killed by cops in 1995 finally gets answers, and $1.1 million
By JUAN GONZALEZ (jgonzalez@nydailynews.com)

MAR 26, 2009 | 9:08 PM

Bronx mom of teen killed by cops in 1995 finally gets answers, and $1.1 million
Margarita Rosario during a protest march in 1995, not long after son Anthony died.

The story was supposed to have been buried a long time ago, along with the bullet-riddled bodies of the two young Hispanics killed in a Bronx apartment in a hail of 28 shots from two detectives.

But Margarita Rosario, the mother of one of the dead men, refused to go along. She kept demanding answers about police reports that made no sense.

She persisted even after then-NYPD Commissioner William Bratton called her and other parents "a bunch of fools" for raising the incident at a town hall meeting. She kept at it even when then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani ridiculed her for calling him during his weekly radio show.

Why, Rosario demanded to know, had virtually all 22 bullets that struck her 18-year-old son Anthony Rosario and his friend Hilton Vega, 21, entered through their backs and their sides?

And why had so many bullets fragments been found in the floorboards of the apartment - a clear indication that they had been shot while on their stomachs?

A grand jury exonerated the cops of any wrongdoing, and a federal civil rights investigation went nowhere. A probe by the Civilian Complaint Review Board later concluded the cops used "unnecessary and excessive force," but the NYPD simply ignored the board's findings.

Last week, 14 long years after the incident, the families of the dead men finally got a tiny sliver of justice.

At the urging of Bronx Supreme Court Justice Alan Saks, the Bloomberg administration settled a civil wrongful death suit just before the case went to the jury. The city agreed to pay the Rosario and Vega families $1.1 million, plus $50,000 to a third youth, Freddy Bonilla, who was slightly injured in the shooting.

The city's defense was so weak that some jurors later said they had been prepared to award an even bigger sum.

The Rosario-Vega case was one of those police shootings that never garnered much public scrutiny - not the way those of Amadou Diallo or Patrick Dorismond did.
Rodriguez called police earlier that day and said push-in robbers were planning to hit his apartment.

Two 46th Precinct detectives, Patrick Brosnan and James Crowe, responded. Brosnan and Crowe had both been bodyguards for Giuliani during his 1993 mayoral race. They testified at the trial that they stayed in the apartment for two hours, watching TV and making personal phone calls, while they waited for the assault.


About 11:10 p.m., Vega, Rosario and Bonilla knocked on the door and were let in by Rodriguez. Brosnan and Crowe popped out of the kitchen, their guns drawn, and ordered the three to get down on the floor. The officers told the Rodriguezes to shut themselves in a bedroom.

Bonilla, the only survivor, testified that he and his friends did exactly as they were told.

Brosnan and Crowe testified that the men were face-up on the floor when Rosario suddenly pulled his gun and caused the cops to open fire.

The testimony at the civil trial from city Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch made clear that the men had been shot while lying facedown - contradicting the cops' story and supporting the account of the only other eyewitness, Bonilla.

As for the semiautomatic handguns the three men possessed, none had been fired or even had bullets in the chamber.

"It would have been suicide by cop for Anthony Rosario to draw his gun, pull the slide back and try to shoot while a gun was trained on him," said Seth Harris, the Rosario lawyer. "The truth came out, and everyone who was in the courtroom knew it."

"Our police officers acted appropriately when confronted with three armed gunmen," said Fay Leoussis of the city Law Department. "However, we have agreed to resolve these cases in light of the uncertainties of litigation."

And, after 14 years, Margarita Rosario finally got her answers.

jgonzalez@nydailynews.com




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Your leaving out some very important details. what were they charged with? The other NYC one, why were the detectives at said place?
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:15 PM
 
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Here you go. My coworker's son was Anthony Rosario. He was a Catholic High School honor student. His father was an engineer at Con Ed who worked two offices down from mine. He was active in the community and owned a brownstone in Manhattan's Spanish Harlem. You can google it, but here is the main story which was told in the 2002 Documentary "Justifiable Homicide".

The 2002 documentary "Justifiable Homicide" tells how a crook named Rodriguez who called the police was operating a phoney green card racket and was under the protection of the police. That is why they came when he called. The boys were there earlier with empty guns showing to demand Rodriguez give them back the $500 he had taken to provide a greencard he never delivered to the girlfriend of one of the boys. He told them to come back later for the money and had the cops waiting to execute them when they returned.

Also here's the Daily News story of the way the NYPD and Mayor's Giuliani ridiculed the mother's claims and ignored the civilian complaint review board's findings. The federal government also failed to do anything with a civil rights complaint. She eventually won her civil lawsuit against the city under the Bloomberg administration.


..........................

Bronx mom of teen killed by cops in 1995 finally gets answers, and $1.1 million
By JUAN GONZALEZ (jgonzalez@nydailynews.com)

MAR 26, 2009 | 9:08 PM

Bronx mom of teen killed by cops in 1995 finally gets answers, and $1.1 million
Margarita Rosario during a protest march in 1995, not long after son Anthony died.

The story was supposed to have been buried a long time ago, along with the bullet-riddled bodies of the two young Hispanics killed in a Bronx apartment in a hail of 28 shots from two detectives.

But Margarita Rosario, the mother of one of the dead men, refused to go along. She kept demanding answers about police reports that made no sense.

She persisted even after then-NYPD Commissioner William Bratton called her and other parents "a bunch of fools" for raising the incident at a town hall meeting. She kept at it even when then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani ridiculed her for calling him during his weekly radio show.

Why, Rosario demanded to know, had virtually all 22 bullets that struck her 18-year-old son Anthony Rosario and his friend Hilton Vega, 21, entered through their backs and their sides?

And why had so many bullets fragments been found in the floorboards of the apartment - a clear indication that they had been shot while on their stomachs?

A grand jury exonerated the cops of any wrongdoing, and a federal civil rights investigation went nowhere. A probe by the Civilian Complaint Review Board later concluded the cops used "unnecessary and excessive force," but the NYPD simply ignored the board's findings.

Last week, 14 long years after the incident, the families of the dead men finally got a tiny sliver of justice.

At the urging of Bronx Supreme Court Justice Alan Saks, the Bloomberg administration settled a civil wrongful death suit just before the case went to the jury. The city agreed to pay the Rosario and Vega families $1.1 million, plus $50,000 to a third youth, Freddy Bonilla, who was slightly injured in the shooting.

The city's defense was so weak that some jurors later said they had been prepared to award an even bigger sum.

The Rosario-Vega case was one of those police shootings that never garnered much public scrutiny - not the way those of Amadou Diallo or Patrick Dorismond did.
Rodriguez called police earlier that day and said push-in robbers were planning to hit his apartment.

Two 46th Precinct detectives, Patrick Brosnan and James Crowe, responded. Brosnan and Crowe had both been bodyguards for Giuliani during his 1993 mayoral race. They testified at the trial that they stayed in the apartment for two hours, watching TV and making personal phone calls, while they waited for the assault.


About 11:10 p.m., Vega, Rosario and Bonilla knocked on the door and were let in by Rodriguez. Brosnan and Crowe popped out of the kitchen, their guns drawn, and ordered the three to get down on the floor. The officers told the Rodriguezes to shut themselves in a bedroom.

Bonilla, the only survivor, testified that he and his friends did exactly as they were told.

Brosnan and Crowe testified that the men were face-up on the floor when Rosario suddenly pulled his gun and caused the cops to open fire.

The testimony at the civil trial from city Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch made clear that the men had been shot while lying facedown - contradicting the cops' story and supporting the account of the only other eyewitness, Bonilla.

As for the semiautomatic handguns the three men possessed, none had been fired or even had bullets in the chamber.

"It would have been suicide by cop for Anthony Rosario to draw his gun, pull the slide back and try to shoot while a gun was trained on him," said Seth Harris, the Rosario lawyer. "The truth came out, and everyone who was in the courtroom knew it."

"Our police officers acted appropriately when confronted with three armed gunmen," said Fay Leoussis of the city Law Department. "However, we have agreed to resolve these cases in light of the uncertainties of litigation."

And, after 14 years, Margarita Rosario finally got her answers.

jgonzalez@nydailynews.com
Short version: cops justifiably shot some guys with guns. City settled to avoid litigation.

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Old 09-16-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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They caught at least 6 of them from the video, max penalties are 21 years, 20 for one and one for second. Hennepin county released all the detailed info on them.
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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They caught at least 6 of them from the video, max penalties are 21 years, 20 for one and one for second. Hennepin county released all the detailed info on them.
Massive waste of taxpayer money if they get sent away for 20-21 years for that.
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:56 PM
 
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Massive waste of taxpayer money if they get sent away for 20-21 years for that.
If I was the victim, the civil suit I’d be filing to all of them...
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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Massive waste of taxpayer money if they get sent away for 20-21 years for that.
Wow. That’s cold, man. They could have killed the gain and you’re talking about money.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Wow. That’s cold, man. They could have killed the gain and you’re talking about money.
I get it. The actions taken by the individuals captured in the video are reprehensible and there needs to be accountability. However, my comment is more of a criticism of our criminal justice system. We Americans love to fill up our prisons and put people away for decades. So wasteful.
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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Massive waste of taxpayer money if they get sent away for 20-21 years for that.
Shame on you.
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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Someone with an fairly aggressive stance on law and order. I bet when these skels are found, and the background is known, they will be shown to have had previous arrests and likely convictions. But the liberal criminal justice system gave them a slap on the wrist, and sent them back out to victimize more people, including the victim here.
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Hollywood, the Media and Democrats have gone to great lengths to portray the Police in a negative way, and that's putting it mildly. Why would anyone want to go into that line of business knowing the deck is stacked against you from the get-go??

You made your bed, so sleep in it.
Found my way here this morning because of the video. I couldn't agree more with these two quotes.
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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I get it. The actions taken by the individuals captured in the video are reprehensible and there needs to be accountability. However, my comment is more of a criticism of our criminal justice system. We Americans love to fill up our prisons and put people away for decades. So wasteful.
There is no way any of those criminals will see anything close to the maximum sentence. More likely, they will plea bargain down to a misdemeanor (as was amply described earlier in this thread) and get probation.

We don’t “love” to put people away for decades. What we love to do is to continually show mercy to those who don’t deserve it.

You say there need to be accountability. That’s pretty vague. Please tell me exactly how you would propose to hold these criminals accountable.
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