Guns in Mississippi schools (Pearl: live, safety, to move)

[Robert_J]

Originally Posted by SandiK

Still, my main concern about teachers having guns is the security of the weapon within a classroom. As someone formerly employed in public schools I know it's hard to keep things secure and kids tend to wander and explore whatever is at hand. The potential for a gun getting into the wrong hands would be one consideration.

As mentioned earlier, IWB (In the WaistBand) holster. Just take a look at the first minute of this video. The woman in it is definitely not wearing something school appropriate but you still can't see the firearm on her. I have a family member who is former city police and he has to ask if I'm carrying.

Crossbreed Supertuck IWB holster (female review & demo) - YouTube

[Dd714]

Originally Posted by SandiK

Still, my main concern about teachers having guns is the security of the weapon within a classroom. As someone formerly employed in public schools I know it's hard to keep things secure and kids tend to wander and explore whatever is at hand. The potential for a gun getting into the wrong hands would be one consideration. Another problem would be that a gun secured sufficiently to prevent theft or exploration might not be available quickly enough to do any good.

There is zero chance of the gun getting into the wrong hands unless the student has his hands in the teachers wasteband or other intimate area (and even then it's difficult)...and if that happense then we have other issues beyond the scope of this thread. Obviously a carry permit means you physically carry the weapon, and yes, with one in the pipe. Otherwise you are carrying a useless brick.

Now I am not aware of this law but I would assume the teacher would get the standard enhanced carry permit that is available to the public and allows anyone with this permit to carry a weapon in school - so that means fingerprinting, photographing, FBI check, local law enforcement check, and mandatory weapons training including legal use of force, how to carry a weapon, how not to carry a weapon, etc. Nothing wrong with that at all - the more good guys have weapons the better.

[deb100]

Originally Posted by Dd714

There is zero chance of the gun getting into the wrong hands unless the student has his hands in the teachers wasteband or other intimate area (and even then it's difficult)...and if that happense then we have other issues beyond the scope of this thread. Obviously a carry permit means you physically carry the weapon, and yes, with one in the pipe. Otherwise you are carrying a useless brick.

Now I am not aware of this law but I would assume the teacher would get the standard enhanced carry permit that is available to the public and allows anyone with this permit to carry a weapon in school - so that means fingerprinting, photographing, FBI check, local law enforcement check, and mandatory weapons training including legal use of force, how to carry a weapon, how not to carry a weapon, etc. Nothing wrong with that at all - the more good guys have weapons the better.

One simple precaution would be to carry an automatic concealed but unloaded, with the magazine(s) concealed elsewhere on the body in case a student has studied who is likely carrying and where on the body. Naturally this policy should not be publicized.

[Listener2307]

Actually, when you look at the term of the Mississippi concealed Carry License, it appears to me that individuals already have the right to be armed in class. Doesn't matter whether you are a teacher or not. The idea that school boards suddenly have this big decision to make is not true at all. Is it?


Firearms Permit Vs Enhanced Carry Permits

Firearms Permit
•CAN NOT carry in a Courtroom or Law Enforcement Office or detention center.
•CAN NOT carry in Polling Place or meeting of the Government.
•CAN NOT carry at any School, College or Athletic Event.
•CAN NOT carry at establishment or portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises primarily devoted to such purpose .
•CAN NOT carry inside the passenger terminal of any airport .
•CAN NOT carry in any church or other place of worship.
•CAN NOT carry any place prohibited by federal law.
•CAN NOT carry where Private Business displays “NO FIREARMS” signage
•CAN NOT carry in Parades where permits are required.

Enhanced Carry Permit
•CAN NOT carry in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding.
•CAN NOT carry in any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail.
•CAN NOT carry any place prohibited by federal law.

[EVAunit1981]

Crossbreed Supertucks are very good but like any other holster you can be made if you wear the wrong clothes. I know this from firsthand experience.

Now if Crossbreed made a retention holster, that would be the answer!

[Robert_J]

Originally Posted by deb100

One simple precaution would be to carry an automatic concealed but unloaded, with the magazine(s) concealed elsewhere on the body in case a student has studied who is likely carrying and where on the body. Naturally this policy should not be publicized.

Excuse me Mr. School Shooter. I need some time to load my pistol and chamber a rounds.

You carry or you don't.

[deb100]

Originally Posted by Robert_J

Excuse me Mr. School Shooter. I need some time to load my pistol and chamber a rounds.

You carry or you don't.

It takes maybe two seconds to take a magazine from its place of concealment on the body and insert it.

[Robert_J]

Originally Posted by deb100

It takes maybe two seconds to take a magazine from its place of concealment on the body and insert it.

You have to move your clothes with your off-hand and draw. Then with your off-hand draw the magazine. In your workspace, insert your mag on a closed bolt. Don't forget you have to rack the slide also. By then, you are already 10 seconds (probably more) behind the bad guy.

I can draw and deliver 2 rounds center mass (as measured in training) in 1.7 seconds.

[Dd714]

Originally Posted by deb100

One simple precaution would be to carry an automatic concealed but unloaded, with the magazine(s) concealed elsewhere on the body in case a student has studied who is likely carrying and where on the body. Naturally this policy should not be publicized.

Noooo, well you can, but I do not recommend that at all....for the reasons I listed (you are otherwise carrying a useless brick) - keep it loaded with one loaded in the chamber (for semi-automatics). That 5 seconds or more may be the difference between life or death...and the simplists steps you have between drawing and firing is the best. It's also ironically the safest, as muscle memory will be better to adapt to simply pointing, acquiring the target, and firing. Rather than fumbling through your other pocket for your magazine and loading it, then pulling it back to load.

I've heard good things about the crossbreed supertuck, particularly for comfort. I work from home but over the weekend I wore my weapon out for like 15 hours straight and I swear I have a permanent gun imprint now behind my right hip. Otherwise, people are so oblivious and self absorbed that I can wear my weapon on top of my head and I swear no one will notice.

[Robert_J]

Originally Posted by Dd714

I've heard good things about the crossbreed supertuck, particularly for comfort. I work from home but over the weekend I wore my weapon out for like 15 hours straight and I swear I have a permanent gun imprint now behind my right hip. Otherwise, people are so oblivious and self absorbed that I can wear my weapon on top of my head and I swear no one will notice.

I work from home as well and carry all day long in a Crossbreed holster. A new one takes a day or two to break in and conform to your shape but it's not uncomfortable during that time.