Missouri is still on the rise

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

Cant say that about Missouri....

Winter in MO? Nothing at all compared to the core of the Midwest or Upper Midwest. Look at the average temperatures for every month.

[onegoalstl]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Winter in MO? Nothing at all compared to the core of the Midwest or Upper Midwest. Look at the average temperatures for every month.

True. Now NW Missouri and far northern MO is a different story. They can get quite cold. It just seems when cold fronts get to around Cape the air really modifies and is not as cold.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

Winter in MO? Nothing at all compared to the core of the Midwest or Upper Midwest. Look at the average temperatures for every month.

"Think horribly hot/humid summer with a non-existant or short winter."

But are you saying that Missouri has a "non-existant or short winter"? We all know the upper-midwest has much longer and harsher winters, but I don't think anyone would agree with that description.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

"Think horribly hot/humid summer with a non-existant or short winter."

But are you saying that Missouri has a "non-existant or short winter"? We all know the upper-midwest has much longer and harsher winters, but I don't think anyone would agree with that description.

How about average annual snowfall? Most of MO 10-20 inches at best. The rest of the Midwest outside the snowbelts 40+ inches. The Great Lakes snowbelts 50-300 inches.

[SW Missouri Dave]

Snowfall - Average Total In Inches

Missouri snowfall basically the same as Kansas to the west, and Kentucky to the east. Get a lot more than states to the south, and lot less than states to the north.

Wow - my science teacher 35 years ago was right. The closer to the equator you get ....... the better your chance a missionary will feel lead to come live with you

[onegoalstl]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

How about average annual snowfall? Most of MO 10-20 inches at best. The rest of the Midwest outside the snowbelts 40+ inches. The Great Lakes snowbelts 50-300 inches.

However Southern MO while they get less snow overall, when they do get snow it can be quite heavy. Same goes for Oklahoma, Arkansas. Seems when they do get a good winter storm it dumps a crap load of snow.

Guess it has to do with being closer to the Gulf of Mexico and the moist southern flow.

[GraniteStater]

True, but MO is at the very edge of the Midwest. While decent snows are common, the frequency certainly is not. Latitude is also a big determining factor, and much of MO is along and south of the Mason Dixon line. Seasonal variations in daylight are not as significant compared to the Midwest core northward, therefore cold airmasses cannot built up and persist with regularity. Climatically, it is mostly humid sub-tropical with humid continental becoming prevalent in much of northern MO.

[kshe95girl]

We had 10" unofficially in Ste Gen County over the holiday.......you guys can spout stats all you wish, but thats very unusual, for anytime of the year.
I'm having baby goats right now, so I'm just a little busy....

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by GraniteStater

How about average annual snowfall? Most of MO 10-20 inches at best. The rest of the Midwest outside the snowbelts 40+ inches. The Great Lakes snowbelts 50-300 inches.

I've just never heard anyone describe Missouri as having a "non-existant" or very short winter. To me, you are describing the deep south.

STL's average (mean) temp in winter months, according to this site: http://countrystudies.us/united-states/weather/

are as follows: Dec: 34, Jan: 28, Feb: 34, March 45.

Chicago's mean temps are Dec: 30, Jan: 25, Feb 28, March 38.

Chicago is considered a northern city with traditionally harsh winters. St. Louis is farther south so of course it is warmer on average than Chicago, but I don't think you can say it is so much warmer that its winters are "non-existant."

To me, a "non-existant" winter describes the deep south, cities like Atlanta.

[MUTGR]

Originally Posted by MUTGR

I've just never heard anyone describe Missouri as having a "non-existant" or very short winter. To me, you are describing the deep south.

STL's average (mean) temp in winter months, according to this site: US Weather - Average Temperatures and Rainfall

are as follows: Dec: 34, Jan: 28, Feb: 34, March 45.

Chicago's mean temps are Dec: 30, Jan: 25, Feb 28, March 38.

Chicago is considered a northern city with traditionally harsh winters. St. Louis is farther south so of course it is warmer on average than Chicago, but I don't think you can say it is so much warmer that its winters are "non-existant."

To me, a "non-existant" winter describes the deep south, cities like Atlanta.

A few more. Detroit's mean temps in those months are virtually identical to Chicago (not surprising).

Farther south, Cincinatti is virtually identical to STL:

Dec: 35, Jan: 30, Feb: 34; March 44.

Back north to a traditional midwestern rust-belt city, Pittsburgh:

Dec: 32, Jan: 26, Feb: 28, March 38.

Based on mean temperatures in winter months, STL's winters are not appreciably warmer or shorter than most midwestern cities. Of course, most of the cities other than cincy get more snow, but to say that Missouri's winters are "non-existant" is simply not accurate.

On the snow front, STL only gets about 20 inches, which is true. Indy gets 23, Columbus OH 27. Get closer to the great lakes and the numbers do jump up.