A Different Perspective (Great Falls, Bozeman: 2013, how much, house)

[SilverBear]

There are several posters on this board that like nothing better than to tear down Montana at every opportunity.

There are some of us that love it here and wouldn't live anywhere else. This link has some good parts to it and is diametrically opposed to those that only find value in money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tri...af1cb182&ei=65

This second link provides some accurate pros and cons without a lot of the politically slanted BS.
https://honestproscons.com/15-pros-a...ng-in-montana/

For those who love the state, it is a great place to live, not for everybody, but for some of us, it's the only place we could be happy.

[Cody01]

It really boils down to what you want and there will always be a give and take. I am in Great Falls and would prefer several other parts of Montana to live in but its not just that easy. I used to want to leave the state completely but after doing some traveling and research I wasn't thrilled with findings elsewhere. I am not a fan of regulation by government and some states it seems like that is all you'll find.

[Baby B]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mexican...ace-rcna130822

[MTSilvertip]

Originally Posted by Baby B

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mexican...ace-rcna130822

The Indian tribes have always had an addiction problem going all the way back to the whiskey traders.
The reservations aren't nice places, and since state law enforcement can't go on them, so they've always been an outlaw haven.

Read about Judge Roy Bean and the federal Marshalls in the Indian Nation sometime. Nothing has really changed.

[Baby B]

Originally Posted by MTSilvertip

The Indian tribes have always had an addiction problem going all the way back to the whiskey traders.
The reservations aren't nice places, and since state law enforcement can't go on them, so they've always been an outlaw haven.

Read about Judge Roy Bean and the federal Marshalls in the Indian Nation sometime. Nothing has really changed.

Its sad that Cartels know this and take advantage of their weakness.

[Montguy]

=SilverBear;66408006]There are several posters on this board that like nothing better than to tear down Montana at every opportunity.

There are some of us that love it here and wouldn't live anywhere else. This link has some good parts to it and is diametrically opposed to those that only find value in money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tri...af1cb182&ei=65

This second link provides some accurate pros and cons without a lot of the politically slanted BS.
https://honestproscons.com/15-pros-a...ng-in-montana/

For those who love the state, it is a great place to live, not for everybody, but for some of us, it's the only place we could be happy.

Uhh, Silvertip (nice try by the way lol), those of us that speak critically of Montana on this forum are the only ones giving different perspective. Whithout us, it’s just an echo chamber (and granted, an echo chamber is what you’re comfortable with).

And that you’ve spent what, at least ten years on these threads passive-aggressively berating anyone that detracts from you and your (very strange) points of view as “only finding value in money”, is just so weak and disingenuous, yet it’s very obvious how much moral empowerment you get from it. You need self-areness, badly.

[NDak15]

Originally Posted by SilverBear

There are several posters on this board that like nothing better than to tear down Montana at every opportunity.

There are some of us that love it here and wouldn't live anywhere else. This link has some good parts to it and is diametrically opposed to those that only find value in money.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tri...af1cb182&ei=65

This second link provides some accurate pros and cons without a lot of the politically slanted BS.
https://honestproscons.com/15-pros-a...ng-in-montana/

For those who love the state, it is a great place to live, not for everybody, but for some of us, it's the only place we could be happy.

The only people who say comments about only valuing money and ignoring or downplaying cost of living and salary are either delusional or already have money. So my response is take off the rose colored glasses or check your privilege. If you can't afford to live somewhere you aren't going to have a good quality of life unless you think looking at pretty mountains on the way to your second job is enough. Even without a second job, are you going to say that one should live in an expensive place and be content to hike, fish and camp since that's about all they can afford?

In regards to the first article, unless you're under a rock you know the cost of living arguement is bull. If you think spewing out poetry or sharing all that about how beautiful the state is paints any picture of reality you are completely delusional.

Nobody is tearing the state down. We're talking about our experiences grounded in reality. Sorry it offends you.

[Shuffler]

Most people aren't moving here for the jobs or the weather. They already have jobs/businesses and/or other sources of income through years of building wealth. They have financial leverage. They have options while the rest of us are locked into 6 months or more of Winter/Almost Spring/More Winter/False Spring/Spring, or when the smoke rolls in during fire season.

For most people, MT isn't a place where you get rich. You get rich somewhere else and then retire/invest here.

It no longer pencils out unless you're a multimillionaire, or have lived here long enough to have established a home and financial security before the World went mad. This is pretty much true everywhere else in the West.

[Threerun]

Originally Posted by Shuffler

Most people aren't moving here for the jobs or the weather. They already have jobs/businesses and/or other sources of income through years of building wealth. They have financial leverage. They have options while the rest of us are locked into 6 months or more of Winter/Almost Spring/More Winter/False Spring/Spring, or when the smoke rolls in during fire season.

For most people, MT isn't a place where you get rich. You get rich somewhere else and then retire/invest here.

It no longer pencils out unless you're a multimillionaire, or have lived here long enough to have established a home and financial security before the World went mad. This is pretty much true everywhere else in the West.

Most people that moved here during the COVID push do have jobs. A lot can work remotely. Some cashed out from higher value areas and could purchase a home 'affordably' here and work for Montana wages.

My wife and I moved here in 2010. We both work in Montana, but we would be hard pressed to buy our house (today) with its current value. We could technically afford it, but I wouldn't want to pay that kind of money for it. What's tough is that our kids will not be able to live here because of the disparity between wages and cost of living especially housing costs. At least not without a few roommates. They can make more elsewhere and in regions with an overall lower cost of living.

[NDak15]

Originally Posted by Shuffler

Most people aren't moving here for the jobs or the weather. They already have jobs/businesses and/or other sources of income through years of building wealth. They have financial leverage. They have options while the rest of us are locked into 6 months or more of Winter/Almost Spring/More Winter/False Spring/Spring, or when the smoke rolls in during fire season.

For most people, MT isn't a place where you get rich. You get rich somewhere else and then retire/invest here.

It no longer pencils out unless you're a multimillionaire, or have lived here long enough to have established a home and financial security before the World went mad. This is pretty much true everywhere else in the West.

Absolutely! It's surprising to me how people who managed to afford to establish themselves years ago don't understand how things are now. Nowadays all you have to do is look at the homeless population in Misdoula or Bozeman. I'm sure many of them came because they thought it was paradise. Now it's a nightmare. While I'm not suggesting a person would automatically end up homeless, it's a grim illustration of reality. If you want to move to Montana you need to be realistic, have a plan, and yes, be able to afford it.