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Old 04-18-2009, 06:54 PM
 
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hands down
the roaring 20's with james cagney
Good call on the Roaring Twenties, and Once Upon a Time in America, Flight Attendant, another one I just thought of is State of Grace with Sean Penn as the Boston cop who grew up in Hell's Kitchen with the Flannery brothers, Ed Harris and Gary Oldham, boss and soldier of the Westies. John Turtorro plays Penn's police supervisor, his psychologist and priest when the idea of putting his lifelong friends in jail begins to eat at him
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:33 PM
 
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Does anyone agree with my feeling that Godfather II was better than Godfather I?

I thought De Niro's Vito Corleone was fantastic.

Part III wasn't as bad as some make out.
While Brando was one of the greatest of his generation, his overweight and ageing (which had a telling on his voice) restricted some of his mobility and versatility he had in the black and white movies of the past.

De Niro made up for it in the sequel. To me, he looked like the definition of Vito Corleone. I don't know how our daddies felt while seeing this sequence of movies live in the seventies, but given that all three box sets were on the shelf and millions of romantic articles on Brando/DeNiro's respective characterization of Vito, it's really impossible for us to skim one from the other in terms of the varying audience reaction they may have effected during the theatrical release.

To me, DeNiro's portrayal made me go and re-assess Brando's. There are very few sequels in the world which can actually make you do this. This is probably the only one.

Barring Brando, II will always be better than I I also have a vested interest here, I get to escape from the adventures of Talia Shire (beginning from her wedding) and the Brazilian soap opera style romance of Pacino-Keaton

Brando, Robert Duvall (why doesn't anyone even mention him? He was outstanding and was overshadowed, underdogged rather) and Al Pacino's late exploits saved I from utter boredom. I'm probably outnumbered on this one, why, even the lone soul who thinks this way.

My only problem with viewers of today, posterity in general, is this - they take the Godfather sets off the shelf, knowing full well it's supposed to be a movie legend, like the pantheon or something. Such hagiographic foreground opinion, buttressed by countless positive movie reviews, actually kills personal analysis of a work of art IMHO

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You might be.
LOL, I see that, now

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hands down
the roaring 20's with james cagney
Why am I being reminded of Paul Giamatti here

There's a movie, "Shoot them up". He is the villain and he goes, "know what a jimmy cagney love scene is? He lets the good guy live"

I just died laughing. This villain character deserves its own thread. Sorry for going off-topic, guys. I'll let you guys get back to Connie Corleone's wedding reception. It would have been fun if Coppola had let her marry Rocky Balboa He would have kicked the combined bums of Caan and Pacino
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:48 AM
 
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another one I just thought of is State of Grace with Sean Penn as the Boston cop who grew up in Hell's Kitchen with the Flannery brothers, Ed Harris and Gary Oldham, boss and soldier of the Westies. John Turtorro plays Penn's police supervisor, his psychologist and priest when the idea of putting his lifelong friends in jail begins to eat at him
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Excellent choice, Expit.

I've thought of a few more mob films, but they were not good enough to call them 'best.' (I was disappointed in The Departed.)

I did think of a couple that intrigued me quite a bit:

Layer Cake

Sexy Beast

The Krays

A History of Violence

And this one was simply fun:

Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
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Old 04-19-2009, 06:00 AM
 
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Thanks for reminding me of Sexy Beast and Lock, Stock- both very good films with a wicked sense of wit about them!

Would Leon count as a Mobster film? Pushing the definition a bit I guess, but a good film none the less.


YouTube - 'Leon' Trailer
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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Does anyone agree with my feeling that Godfather II was better than Godfather I?

I thought De Niro's Vito Corleone was fantastic.
It's hard to choose what part (1 or 2) is the best. Though the second part seems to be more dynamic, frankly speaking I dislike that fragment about Vito Corleone's youth in the second part.

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Part III wasn't as bad as some make out.
Godfather is a good movie on its own account.
However when it comes to comparison with its predecessors the third part is really bad.

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Anybody ever see The Godfather Saga? It was a chronological edit, starting with Vito Andolini (Corleone) as a boy in Sicily.
I guess I've seen some fragments of it on TV. I belive it was a TV version. To be honest I don't like the idea to compile one movie from two. Besides, as I guess Coppola included in saga some extra fragments that were not good enough to be included in Godfather 1 or in Godfather 2.

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I may be a bit partial to that as it was filmed around me so everywhere they are in the movie I pretty much recognize.
Do you mean Casino or the Departed?

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I also liked Once Upon a Time in America.
That was a good movie. Not excellent as Godfather of course but still good. Do you remember that touching scene where a boy ate a tart sitting in the front of the girl's door instead of giving it to her as a present.
I do like James Wood in this flick. He was terriffic.
You know I'm not a big fan of DeNiro but he was great in this flick too. To me it's probably his best role during his all career.
The only one moment that pissed me off is the ending. Does anybody know what happened at the end when garbage truck was riding? There's no clear ending It's still mystery to me what happened at the end.


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Robert Duvall
He was good in Godfather. I do like his characters in 'Apocalypse Now' and in 'The Stars Fell on Henrietta' too.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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Thanks for reminding me of Sexy Beast and Lock, Stock- both very good films with a wicked sense of wit about them!

Would Leon count as a Mobster film? Pushing the definition a bit I guess, but a good film none the less.

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Thanks for reminding me about this movie.
I've always meant to see it, but haven't yet.
I put it at #1 on my Netflix queue.
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Old 04-19-2009, 07:04 PM
 
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Leon isn't bad, but it is incredibly overrated. It's more of a cartoon than a crime picture in places. The villain is so unbelievably nasty that I kept waiting for him to tie Natalie Portman to the railroad tracks and bwah-hah-hah as he tweaked his mustache. And the ending is just ridiculous. Jean Reno was cool as always though.

I liked Sexy Beast, too, but as I remember that movie got most of its attention because of Ben Kingsley. People were shocked watching Gandhi say the F-word about fifty times. He was good, no doubt, but the real scene stealer of that movie was Ian McShane. One of the scariest villains ever.

Casino is excellent. I used to work with a lady who knew the character Joe Pesci was based on. Said he was a real nice guy.

Other good "gangster flicks," albeit of a non-Mafia type:

Bonnie & Clyde

Dillinger. The script and cast are so good that this movie transcends its B-movie budget.

Eastern Promises
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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Eastern Promises
Man, this is a great entry. I'd totally forgotten about this one.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:26 AM
 
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Leon isn't bad, but it is incredibly overrated. It's more of a cartoon than a crime picture in places. The villain is so unbelievably nasty that I kept waiting for him to tie Natalie Portman to the railroad tracks and bwah-hah-hah as he tweaked his mustache. And the ending is just ridiculous.
LOL!!!
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Bonnie & Clyde
This is definitely gangster/crime, but non-Mafia.
If we got into gangster genre, there are many more out there.
I think I mentioned a few crime thrillers in the French movie thread:
Le Cercle Rouge
Rififi
Le Samourai
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Dillinger. The script and cast are so good that this movie transcends its B-movie budget.
I saw that years ago. Can't remember much about it.
Did you see that Johnny Depp has done (or is doing) a remake?
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This movie was simply excellent. That fight scene--whoa.
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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A few not mentioned earlier
Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai
Bugsy
American Gangster
Dick Tracy
Darkman
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