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The biggest lie being sold is the need to "invest" in someone elses education when the facts are the majority of degrees earned are useless .. bottom line.. if you want it PAY FOR IT and stop expecting others to be your free ride
Do you have a reference for that "majority of degrees earned are useless" comment?
Do you have a reference for that "majority of degrees earned are useless" comment?
Seriously?
Have you been paying attention?
Nope I guess not.
Some of the more salient points from the following which is but one of many such college education revelations out there.. Look you want a degree..fine..go for.. if it profit's you intellectually, spiritually, financially great! But stop expecting others to foot the bill.. what in the world is so hard to understand about such a simple common sense thing like that?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhend...wont-tell-you/
Consider the following statistics: More than half of Americans under the age of 25 who have a bachelor’s degree are either unemployed or underemployed. According to The Christian Science Monitor, nearly 1 percent of bartenders and 14 percent of parking lot attendants have a bachelor’s degree.
Adding additional degrees is no guarantee of employment either. According to a recent Urban Institute report, nearly 300,000 Americans with master’s degrees and over 30,000 with doctorates are on public relief.
President Obama said in this year’s State of the Union Address that he wanted larger numbers of people to attend college, but the grim fact is that colleges and universities continue to crank out too many degrees for which there is no need. Every year we award diplomas in economics, sociology, political science, English, history, law, etc., far beyond the market demand for those degrees.
Perhaps the most egregious example of this is the field of psychology, which is perennially one of the most popular undergraduate majors. In a recent year, over 80,000 Americans received a bachelor’s degree in psychology and slightly over 100,000 received a B.A. in education. Preparing 100,000 new teachers a year seems plausible, but does the U.S. job market really need four people trained in psychology for every five trained to be teachers?
Why do colleges do this? It’s simple: They are businesses. Yes, even though many college professors look down their noses at profit-seeking businesses and demean business persons as money-grubbing vultures, the fact is that colleges need customers (students) and revenues just as badly as do other types of business.
Not only may you pay big bucks to acquire a degree that won’t land you a job, but the odds are that some of your money will also be wasted on instruction in learned quackery. Stultifying political correctness, ideological indoctrination, esoteric and fantastic theories, and blatant political propagandizing are common perversions of higher education in America today.
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Sometimes people also earn a bachelor's degree in something they don't necessarily intend to do as a profession, but rather obtain it just because a bachelor's degree (in any subject) is a prerequisite to apply for med school, dental school, PA programs, etc..
Which is the only reason I may pursue a bachelor's degree in the future.
Also consider that some associate's degrees are sometimes more beneficial than a bachelor's in terms of job availability and pay. Think of RN's, Respiratory Therapists and Radiology Techs in particular. All are associate degree programs and all are good paying careers with good outlook and opportunities. Those professions can't be outsourced either.
Yes. I was just wondering if when you said the "majority of degrees earned are useless" you were speaking from personal experience.
While I can certainly imagine that certain majors are not in high demand I cannot imagine that the majority of all degrees earned are useless. And in fact the data does not support your assertion.
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Those with bachelor's degrees, no matter the field, earn vastly more than counterparts with some college ($1.55 million in lifetime earnings) or a high school diploma ($1.30 million lifetime), indicating that no matter the level of attainment or the field of study, simply earning a four-year degree is often integral to financial success later in life.
"The payoff from getting a college degree is huge and is actually increasing," says Jamie Merisotis, president and CEO of Lumina Foundation, a nonprofit focused on boosting America's number of college graduates. "For people wondering [if] a college degree [is] worth it: Not only is it worth it, but the premium is growing."
Yes. I was just wondering if when you said the "majority of degrees earned are useless" you were speaking from personal experience.
While I can certainly imagine that certain majors are not in high demand I cannot imagine that the majority of all degrees earned are useless. And in fact the data does not support your assertion.
there is a saying..peace sells but who's buying.. same thing can be applied to a degree.. sure it can make you more money.. if everything lines up properly, thing is more and more things ain't lining up for the majority.
Not the govts responsibility to fund educating people, it doesn't work, obviously Maybe try Detroit or Baltimore, they may have some programs for you. The govt is broke because of the entitlement mentality such as the premise of this thread. The govt owes nobody anything except a habitable and safe infrastructure which is becoming much less common due to entitlement minded political ideas such as yours. Irresponsible parenting sux, I know.
Meanwhile droves of NH youth attend college in other states (paying less than they would have at UNH even paying the out of state rate at their out of state school) and never come back, leading to the aging of NH and stunting of the economy.
New Hampshire is tied with Vermont for the second lowest share of “native” college students who remain in their home state for post-secondary education.
Just imagine our economy if we could keep those students in-state.
there is a saying..peace sells but who's buying.. same thing can be applied to a degree.. sure it can make you more money.. if everything lines up properly, thing is more and more things ain't lining up for the majority.
And how does any of this support your claim that "facts are the majority of degrees earned are useless"?
Clearly going to college (even if you don't graduate!) pays dividends for the rest of a person's life but you're letting your ideological dislike of education cloud your judgement.
Being able to land a job that has a good health-plan is not useless. Being able to afford good healthcare and save for retirement is not useless. Earning enough to live in a safe place that has good public schools or enough to send your children to private schools is not useless. Earning enough to travel and broaden your mind is not useless. Earning enough to send your children to college is not useless. While there's no magic bullet, education has been shown to be one of the few ways to break the cycle of poverty. Why people continue to denigrate learning and education is amazing to me.
and? A news flash for you.. it isn't the states job to furnish college education
Actually, providing college education to residents became the states' job when the Morrill Act was passed in 1862 which established the land-grant/state university system in the US.
NH is fine the way it is. There are five other New England states to choose from if you don't like it, go there.
I guess that's OK if you want a 20th century economy in this state. Investment in education is similar to investment in infrastructure in that employers look for an educated workforce and good infrastructure.
Dave, I will agree that too little time is spent on researching career opportunities and viability of various degrees. Students waste money pursuing degrees in fields where supply outpaces demand. Art History, Psychology, etc are good examples. I picked degrees that led to jobs in demand and augmented my military technical and leadership experience.
Perhaps state and federal financial aid should be targeted more to degrees in demand in fields that are growing. I don't know many engineers without degrees or IT guys who regret getting a 2 or 4 year degree.
To paint the picture that most degrees are useless is a broad generalization. Some degrees are useless for sure, or lead to low paying careers in oversaturated job markets. Parents need to guide their kids to make realistic choices and set realistic expectations. Following your dreams doesn't pay the bills.
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