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Really? Because the job requires it now or because their own degree has no job offerings?
More of the latter.. but it is important to point out although a degree in transcendental meditation is not required to fix someones plumbing, actual plumbing knowledge is. The statement that most degrees are useless is valid because most kids in college have no idea what they are there for or what they want to do.. education in something that has no real world application or little real world value is the cause of much needless debt, but it keeps the colleges making money and that is what they are there for.
Edit..typo fixed.. sometimes the fingers type too fast..sensible folks will understand
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More of the latter.. but it is important to point out although a degree in transcendental meditation is not required to fix someones plumbing, actual plumbing knowledge is. The statement that most degrees are useless is valid because most kids in college have no idea what they are their for or what they want to do.. education in something that has no real world application or little real world value is the cause of much needless debt, but it keeps the colleges making money and that is what they are there for.
I absolutely agree. My list is to point out good jobs (and good paying jobs) that don't need a college degree. Any good job will require some form of training, of course, be it on-the-job or even a comparatively short technical school. Besides which, we need people to want to pursue these kinds of jobs as well. Traditional 4+ year college should not be the only option considered worthy. I think basically we're making the same point.
I absolutely agree. My list is to point out good jobs (and good paying jobs) that don't need a college degree. Any good job will require some form of training, of course, be it on-the-job or even a comparatively short technical school. Besides which, we need people to want to pursue these kinds of jobs as well. Traditional 4+ year college should not be the only option considered worthy. I think basically we're making the same point.
I absolutely agree. My list is to point out good jobs (and good paying jobs) that don't need a college degree. Any good job will require some form of training, of course, be it on-the-job or even a comparatively short technical school. Besides which, we need people to want to pursue these kinds of jobs as well. Traditional 4+ year college should not be the only option considered worthy. I think basically we're making the same point.
Totally agree. Not everyone will (or should) go to college. Should be based on career path and what the market requires. I deal with enough students in my daily job as an academic advisor who should not be in college at this time.
The "education" system is mostly a racket. It is set up to make their institutions, corporations and the rich richer. It is all connected. This becomes obvious when you dig a little deeper. The whole system is corrupted and a mess and the more progressives try to 'fix' it the worse it gets.
Socialism is not the answer to solve it. Anarchy may be. That the fantasy life of most Americans needs a reality check is clear. The biggest addiction Americans have is not drugs and alcohol, but money. And the progressive entitlement mentality is a disease. So Americans are turning into diseased, spoiled, sick, corporatist herd thinking, entitled mooches as a whole. What kind of life is that?
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[Again..I am all for people getting degrees if they want them . just stop expecting others to fund your education.. how difficult is that to comprehend?
Exactly. And the title of the thread was about the OP complaining that NH spends more on prisons than higher education. Prisons, unfortunately, are a necessity because not only are they holding people who have committed serious crimes against society, but having prisons cells is a deterrent to bad behaviour.
If a college student makes an effort to get top grades in a practical major, then paying off their students loans should not be a problem. Pick a fluff major and have mediocre grades, then paying off student debt is going to be a lot more difficult.
I am also not very sympathetic about any student's loan issues if they are able to party hard during Spring Break in the usual hot spots such as Mexico, Florida and Texas. What a waste of money that is.
Unemployment Rate - College Graduates - Bachelor's Degree, 20 to 24 years as of 2015-09: 7.4 Percent
Unemployment Rate - High School Graduates, No College, 20 to 24 years as of 2015-09: 11.4 Percent
If you were job hunting wouldn't you rather have a college degree?
Look, Dave stated unequivocally "facts are the majority of degrees earned are useless". The only reason I entered this conversation is because that statement is so far off the mark it's worthy of ridicule. It's emblematic of an anti-education, anti-intellectual bias that would be utterly destructive to this country were it to become mainstream.
Of course students need to wisely pick both their major and the school they attend. Especially those who are likely to take out loans to afford college -- these students need to have a reasonable chance of landing a job that pays well enough to pay off their debt.
I don't think anyone would argue against that.
That anyone would argue against college in general blows my mind.
Well said.
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