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Old 08-18-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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Unemployment is up and things arent looking great. Of course I would never blame the guy after 6 months in office but why not when the entire liked doing the same thing to Obama.
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Old 08-18-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Hes doing the same things Obama is doing yet no one calls him on it....
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Old 08-18-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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Unemployment is up and things arent looking great. Of course I would never blame the guy after 6 months in office but why not when the entire liked doing the same thing to Obama.
Is there a point???
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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Hes doing the same things Obama is doing yet no one calls him on it....
Exactly what is Christie doing that makes him so Obama-esque? Last I checked Christie is cutting spending to reduce the deficit and working to end the borrow money to play today and worry about it next year philosophy. Obama is borrowing trillions and handing it out to people who made poor financial choices. His efforts have done little to improve economic conditions. Now he is looking to let tax cuts expire to pay for his generous nature.

The biggest difference I see and the one I care about most is that my great-great-grandkids won't be footing the bill for the things Christie is doing whether they are succesful or not. On the other hand, they will be paying for Obama's programs that are currently proving to be of little benefit.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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Thank god for Christie. We need a Governor with the balls to go after the unions who take advantage of the system in place. We can no longer afford to support all these State/Township employee unions and their bloated benefits.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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Unemployment is up and things arent looking great. Of course I would never blame the guy after 6 months in office but why not when the entire liked doing the same thing to Obama.
Christie hasn't blown a couple trillion dollars borrowed in our name to finance a "bailout" that has done very little to have any real affect on the economy. While it is still too early to condemn Obama he's still the one sending mixed messages, looking very confused and responsible for spending trillions propping up financial insitutions. His policies have done very little to improve the conditions of the vast majority of Americans.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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Hes doing the same things Obama is doing yet no one calls him on it....
What exactly are the things he is doing that Obama is also doing?
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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Thank god for Christie. We need a Governor with the balls to go after the unions who take advantage of the system in place. We can no longer afford to support all these State/Township employee unions and their bloated benefits.
Please read the Rutgers study that pretty much outlines the fact that salaries of public employees are not the problem. Go ahead and read it and then just come back and say that they are bias.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:44 AM
 
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Thank god for Christie. We need a Governor with the balls to go after the unions who take advantage of the system in place. We can no longer afford to support all these State/Township employee unions and their bloated benefits.

Shifting the tax burden from the state level to the municipal level, which lead to a huge property tax increase. Cutting services across the board as a result of his cuts. Rising unemployment which will lead to more foreclosures that will hurt every single homeowner!! Great stuff!! That is the makings of a great governor.
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania & New Jersey
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Default NJ's future not looking so great either.

Though I try to look at things objectively, there's no need to hide my bias - I don't like Christie or Obama. (IMO, we're long overdue for a third party.) Each is skilled in manipulating law, making these men fine lawyers but lousy businessmen and even lousier economists. Each has proved that they are ignorant of and incompetent in applied economics.

That said, it would be a gross oversimplification to blame Christie for NJ's current economic woes after only 7+ months in office. Sure the economy is in the toilet, much as a result of bad policies made not just for the first ten years of this millenium but for the past fifty to seventy-five years -- on federal, state, and private levels. There are enough things that Christie will be legitimately criticized for, but NJ's current poor economy isn't one of them.

There is already cause to blame him for some of our future economic woes. For example, when Christie is long-gone from office and the state pension fund goes broke, that will be due, in part, to his policies. (And also due in part to the fact that it's been inadequately funded for the past 15 years.) Recently, Christie's policies have provoked thousands of state employees into premature retirement, which will drain down the pension fund much more quickly than actuaries anticipated. Hence, money will be depleted and the fund run dry much quicker than expected. (Indeed, if it happens very quickly, he'll even use this as a rallying point for his re-election campaign claiming that he warned us the pension fund was untenable. Well, with his policies designed to run it dry... no duh!)

Moreso, in the Christie vs. Obama debate, comparing state policy to federal policy is illegitimate. The federal government enjoys a benefit (and responsibility) that the state doesn't -- a printing press for money. It would be abominable that Obama has chosen to use this to further his socialist agenda instead of rescue middle-class America if not for the sad truth that it's ignorance instead of intent! I really think he's ignorant regarding how to use the tools at hand. That's sad.
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