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Old 08-30-2010, 11:59 AM
 
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The recent gentrification of NYC is having a catastrophic effect on the quality of life in Northern NJ. For starters, we have more traffic than ever which is testing our infrastructure and pushing capacity to the brink. We have what were once considered nice areas overrun with crime. It's only getting worse. Almost every news article indicates the perps are from NYC. I've seen no evidence of this improving. The middle class neighborhoods aren't the only ones suffering. People will say crime is everywhere which is true. However, it should be noted that when an area gentrifies adjacent areas inherit many quality of life issues. I'm not writing this to stir the pot or be political. Maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, but North Jersey is NOT what it was 10 years ago.
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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The recent gentrification of NYC is having a catastrophic effect on the quality of life in Northern NJ. For starters, we have more traffic than ever which is testing our infrastructure and pushing capacity to the brink. We have what were once considered nice areas overrun with crime. It's only getting worse. Almost every news article indicates the perps are from NYC. I've seen no evidence of this improving. The middle class neighborhoods aren't the only ones suffering. People will say crime is everywhere which is true. However, it should be noted that when an area gentrifies adjacent areas inherit many quality of life issues. I'm not writing this to stir the pot or be political. Maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, but North Jersey is NOT what it was 10 years ago.
Yup- you're pointing out the obvious. And 10 years ago, people were saying "boy, this place sure isn't what it was 10 years ago". And 20 years ago, people were saying "boy, this place sure isn't what it was 10 years ago". And so on, and so on, and so on......
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:31 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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yeah. i wish i could still get a coke for 5 cents.
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:32 PM
 
Location: North Brunswick
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The recent gentrification of NYC is having a catastrophic effect on the quality of life in Northern NJ. For starters, we have more traffic than ever which is testing our infrastructure and pushing capacity to the brink. We have what were once considered nice areas overrun with crime. It's only getting worse. Almost every news article indicates the perps are from NYC. I've seen no evidence of this improving. The middle class neighborhoods aren't the only ones suffering. People will say crime is everywhere which is true. However, it should be noted that when an area gentrifies adjacent areas inherit many quality of life issues. I'm not writing this to stir the pot or be political. Maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, but North Jersey is NOT what it was 10 years ago.
It isn't just North Jersey, but the other boroughs of NYC as well, especially Staten Island. Staten Island used to be considered the nicest and most affluent borough of the city since it was the least densely populated and most "suburban". Look at the slum hole that it is now. Wasn't anything like that in the 1980s.

IMO the future of NYC looks pretty bleak. They are already saying NY and NJ are among the last to recover from the recession. It's simply getting too expensive to run business there, all the companies that keep it going are leaving. $26 for a train ticket from New Brunswick to Manhattan! That's just criminal. I don't see it lasting like that.
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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I think this proves gentrification isn't always a good thing.
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Old 08-30-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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It isn't just North Jersey, but the other boroughs of NYC as well, especially Staten Island. Staten Island used to be considered the nicest and most affluent borough of the city since it was the least densely populated and most "suburban". Look at the slum hole that it is now. Wasn't anything like that in the 1980s.

IMO the future of NYC looks pretty bleak. They are already saying NY and NJ are among the last to recover from the recession. It's simply getting too expensive to run business there, all the companies that keep it going are leaving. $26 for a train ticket from New Brunswick to Manhattan! That's just criminal. I don't see it lasting like that.
LOL , companies are moving to south and Central Jersey and Philly. But this is the Bos-Wash or Port-Folk Corridor the future is blinding bright....
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Old 08-30-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I'm a NY transplant and moved to NJ because the rents were much cheaper than what I was being charged there.

Not all NY'ers that move here are unemployed, welfare recipients, criminals or drug dealers.

We are middle class working people that are looking to get more out of their paychecks.

Now if the rents were as they are here in Jersey would I have moved, ummm nope.

Why, because I wouldn't have to pay double to commute by NJ Transit & MTA.

I'm just saying.....
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Old 08-30-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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Nexus - I appreciate your optimism but I respectfully disagree. The future business climate in this state will have very little to do with rail corridors and everything to do with limited regulations that actually invite companies to the Garden State. The root of our problem is complicated.

Our state is corrupt.
We have too many people willing to tax themselves into oblivion.
NYC gentrification forced the working class out and into our state where they are just as poor.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:12 PM
 
Location: North Brunswick
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LOL , companies are moving to south and Central Jersey and Philly. But this is the Bos-Wash or Port-Folk Corridor the future is blinding bright....
My point exactly. Everything is going to the Philly region because it's cheaper to run business down there. I can also drive to Philly from my place in less than an hour without paying a cent in tolls, and it's actually the most direct route as well. Can't do that to get to NYC in any way, shape or form. Even from here to Brooklyn is $19 round trip when you add up the Outerbridge and Verrazano tolls. And that's driving. And contrary to NY and NJ, PA is among the first to recover. NYC and much of its metro area now has pretty much poisoned itself from its own cost of living. I'll never forget the time earlier this year I was in TGI Friday's in Manhattan and everything cost like $10-15 more than it would elsewhere because of the scenery and the view outside. It's just ridiculous. OK we know it's the greatest city in the world, but it's a CITY, not friggin MAYBERRY! And it's ruining itself because of that mentality. Look at Staten Island, the dump it is now. The whole metro will be like that in ten years, I guarantee it.

Philly is much more managable and convenient than NYC. That's why everything's going there. And I'm not talking anything about crime rate. That'll change with it.
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Old 08-30-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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When you guys say everything is going to Philly, what are you referring to? Are you saying gentrification? I don't see it and haven't in my visits.
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