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this would cripple the entire structure of the system, as it's currently designed. i understand the logic behind what you're saying, but people are forgetting that every western country operates with the principles that an educated population makes our economy better, improves all of us as a whole, and truly contributes to advancing society forward. this is a neccessity for society to continue moving forward and compete within the global economy.
in the most recent recession, tech companies like Oracle, Google, and Microsoft were hiring like crazy, but they were hiring folks from India and China because the U.S. population doesn't have the education and skills they needed. This is a major problem, and reflects are losses in math and science compared to the rest of the world.
NJ has a lot amazing public schools. It amazes me that so many folks here don't realize that even your "average" and some "below average" schools offer far more than many other states offer their children.
maybe only people who vote for wars should pay for the military?
maybe only people who drive on the roads should pay for maintenance of interstates?
do you realize what costs to individuals would be? i don't want to sound like i'm for equal spread of costs across everyone, purely socialistic. but it's not reasonable to expect people to be part of a society, a society that works towards common goals through democracy, yet only individuals contribute to their individual goals. it doesn't work to achieve the goals of the society.
If the public schools are so great, why are they hiring people from other countries? Maybe we should outsource our math to Kumon, they would do a better job that the garbage curriculums they are using in many public schools now.
The public schools in NJ are not amazing. Some of them are fine, some aren't. They just all cost too much.
Property taxes are out of control, on top of a state income tax and a state sales tax. And a billion other taxes.
It's one things to say society should contribute to education, but what is going in NJ is over the top now.
but new jerseyans asked for this. it's not like someone woke up one day, and all of a sudden new jersey was an expensive place to be, with amazing public schools in many cities, and a lot of public service. i mean, if you don't like the tax situation in NJ, what's keeping you in NJ?
but new jerseyans asked for this. it's not like someone woke up one day, and all of a sudden new jersey was an expensive place to be, with amazing public schools in many cities, and a lot of public service. i mean, if you don't like the tax situation in NJ, what's keeping you in NJ?
Or at least a majority of the voters have asked for this. Look at who people voted in year after year. This problem has been in the making for a long time.
This is at pretty much every level of NJ government.
If the public schools are so great, why are they hiring people from other countries? Maybe we should outsource our math to Kumon, they would do a better job that the garbage curriculums they are using in many public schools now.
The public schools in NJ are not amazing. Some of them are fine, some aren't. They just all cost too much.
ok. you caught me there. hehehe.
well, let me rephrase though. the NJ schools are significantly better than say, PA schools, as a whole. there are parts of PA where sending your kids to public school is a ticket to nowhere. there are parts of NJ like that too, but it's the minority from what i can see. even the "average" schools offer AP courses and activities that supercede what I had as choices at a "College Prepatory" private school.
but yes, they are too expensive, and they do need to improve. someone told me yesterday that national math standards actually implemented in a recent year actually scaled BACK what NJ curriculum had in place. unreal!
Or at least a majority of the voters have asked for this. Look at who people voted in year after year. This problem has been in the making for a long time.
This is at pretty much every level of NJ government.
true. it's not fair for me to paint it as if 100% asked for it. but generally speaking, unless people vote with their pockets and/or their feet...they aren't sending a message to the people they elected. despite what some are saying about NJ "losing" people...the population still grew, just not as fast. and there's only so many places to put people, so it's expected that it slows down.
to me, it comes down to voters holding their representatives responsible. the fictional entity people like to blame referred to as "the government" is something those same people have the ability to control and replace. but it's much easier to blame "the government" than blame ourselves.
but new jerseyans asked for this. it's not like someone woke up one day, and all of a sudden new jersey was an expensive place to be, with amazing public schools in many cities, and a lot of public service. i mean, if you don't like the tax situation in NJ, what's keeping you in NJ?
Oh stop with the amazing public schools. They aren't that amazing, believe me. It's not rocket science.
You're right, I should move. I am going to move to North Carolina I think. I heard the streets are paved with gold and everything is shiny and happy.
Honestly, I don't know what is keeping me in NJ. Probably my mother.
true. it's not fair for me to paint it as if 100% asked for it. but generally speaking, unless people vote with their pockets and/or their feet...they aren't sending a message to the people they elected. despite what some are saying about NJ "losing" people...the population still grew, just not as fast. and there's only so many places to put people, so it's expected that it slows down.
to me, it comes down to voters holding their representatives responsible. the fictional entity people like to blame referred to as "the government" is something those same people have the ability to control and replace. but it's much easier to blame "the government" than blame ourselves.
Yeah, but don't forget about Abbott. Legislating from the bench!
The govt does most things poorly? Um ok. Who exactly saved all those govt oops i mean private companies that did things soo well?
You mean the "private" companies who are taxed twenty different ways so they cannot be competitive? You mean the "private" companies whose every move and utterance is regulated to the point of uselessness? You mean the "private" companies who spend most of their resources placating non-productive bureaucrats whose permission they need to stay in business? You mean the "private" companies that can't hire or fire employees without jumping through 35 collectivist hoops that have been placed in their way?
We DONT HAVE private companies. We need to try having them. The first step is to de-governize the entire economy. That means removing government and compulsion step by step by step. Removing regulation. Removing taxes. Removing fees. Removing bureaucratic busybodies. We don't need to return to freedom, we need to discover it.
Oh stop with the amazing public schools. They aren't that amazing, believe me. It's not rocket science.
You're right, I should move. I am going to move to North Carolina I think. I heard the streets are paved with gold and everything is shiny and happy.
Honestly, I don't know what is keeping me in NJ. Probably my mother.
look at NJ schools in national rankings. they are pretty darn good.
and yeah, i've heard north carolina is gold too. lol
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