Gunman Brought 130 Rounds Of Ammo To Westfield School (Cranford: credit card, bankruptcy)
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but it has something to do with your opinions right? ive been here before. people have a hard time supporting their position so they crawl into an argument based on legality that nobody is having. i get it, he broke laws in nj. but these are laws that dont make sense so they have no bearing on my opinions.
you are aware that a law doesnt stop anyone who wants to shoot children from bringing a gun onto school grounds right? im pretty sure that if someone wants to shoot children they arent worried about breaking a law against bringing guns onto school grounds.
Obviously. The law doesn't stop a lot of people from committing crimes anyway. That's a stupid question. Should murder not be illegal since people commit it anyway? Rape? Robbery?
It's also not at all the point or what I asked. So because some people may take a gun on school grounds anyway, it shouldn't be illegal? I mean, they caught this guy, and who knows what he would have done if he wasn't caught. Should there not be a law against having a gun on school grounds? Should people legally be able to bring a gun onto school property, when the kids are there or it's official school time? Does it sound like a stupid law to you or does it make sense? It makes sense to me. Even not considering mass shootings, I see no need at all for a regular citizen to have possession of a gun when at a school, surrounded by kids.
The state has police powers. It can take steps to ensure safety and to try to avoid tragedy or accidents that didn't have to happen.
Obviously. The law doesn't stop a lot of people from committing crimes anyway. That's a stupid question. Should murder not be illegal since people commit it anyway? Rape? Robbery?
It's also not at all the point or what I asked. So because some people may take a gun on school grounds anyway, it shouldn't be illegal? I mean, they caught this guy, and who knows what he would have done if he wasn't caught. Should there not be a law against having a gun on school grounds? Should people legally be able to bring a gun onto school property, when the kids are there or it's official school time? Does it sound like a stupid law to you or does it make sense? It makes sense to me. Even not considering mass shootings, I see no need at all for a regular citizen to have possession of a gun when at a school, surrounded by kids.
The state has police powers. It can take steps to ensure safety and to try to avoid tragedy or accidents that didn't have to happen.
Crystal ball stuff doesn't work. Anything with "maybe, might, could" are those types of laws. Any gun law is easily circumvented by anyone with even a low IQ. At best it creates tack on charges to someone after they are already caught for an existing law and here in CA they are giving the target audience extra leniency based on their race or income level. So why have those laws in the first place.
You see no need. What if I am a gun owner that lives next to a school. By default I'm not supposed to have a gun ever. Stupid stupid law.
I hunt. So if I want to pick up my kids to take with me I have to load all my stuff then go get my son, then drive all the way back across rush hour traffic to get our firearms. All to go do something legal to do.
Obviously. The law doesn't stop a lot of people from committing crimes anyway. That's a stupid question. Should murder not be illegal since people commit it anyway? Rape? Robbery?
It's also not at all the point or what I asked. So because some people may take a gun on school grounds anyway, it shouldn't be illegal? I mean, they caught this guy, and who knows what he would have done if he wasn't caught. Should there not be a law against having a gun on school grounds? Should people legally be able to bring a gun onto school property, when the kids are there or it's official school time? Does it sound like a stupid law to you or does it make sense? It makes sense to me. Even not considering mass shootings, I see no need at all for a regular citizen to have possession of a gun when at a school, surrounded by kids.
The state has police powers. It can take steps to ensure safety and to try to avoid tragedy or accidents that didn't have to happen.
there is a very big difference between laws against murder/rape/etc. and a law against someone having a gun somewhere. in the first group, there is a victim and in the second there is no victim. nobody has been harmed.
so if you agree that this law doesnt prevent anyone from harming children, then what is the point? we have a right to defend ourselves using firearms. you cant do that if you dont have a gun. the guy wasnt even in the school with the gun.
there is a very big difference between laws against murder/rape/etc. and a law against someone having a gun somewhere. in the first group, there is a victim and in the second there is no victim. nobody has been harmed.
so if you agree that this law doesnt prevent anyone from harming children, then what is the point? we have a right to defend ourselves using firearms. you cant do that if you dont have a gun. the guy wasnt even in the school with the gun.
I think this has more to do with the state of our society than anything else. If you were to even utter the word "gun" in or near a school you would probably be, at the very least, reported to and questioned by the authorities. I went to high school back in the early 90's. There were a few incidents where students tied to drugs and/or gangs were caught with a gun at school. At the time I don't even think that made the news. Times have obviously changed.
He went there to kill his ex-girlfriend who worked at the school. He left his gun in the car and went in to recon. When he was unable to find her, he returned to his car and called his ex who said she was currently at a tutoring appointment but would return to the school. Acting on a tip from DE police (who were tipped off by the man's brother), NJ police arrested him while he was lying in wait for her in the school parking lot. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...511298912.html
We have motive, unlawful possession of ammo and arms, but (thankfully) no action.
He went there to kill his ex-girlfriend who worked at the school. He left his gun in the car and went in to recon. When he was unable to find her, he returned to his car and called his ex who said she was currently at a tutoring appointment but would return to the school. Acting on a tip from DE police (who were tipped off by the man's brother), NJ police arrested him while he was lying in wait for her in the school parking lot. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...511298912.html
We have motive, unlawful possession of ammo and arms, but (thankfully) no action.
He may have legally owned the gun and ammunition in Delaware, but he made a huge mistake when he took them to New Jersey.
He went there to kill his ex-girlfriend who worked at the school. He left his gun in the car and went in to recon. When he was unable to find her, he returned to his car and called his ex who said she was currently at a tutoring appointment but would return to the school. Acting on a tip from DE police (who were tipped off by the man's brother), NJ police arrested him while he was lying in wait for her in the school parking lot. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...511298912.html
We have motive, unlawful possession of ammo and arms, but (thankfully) no action.
im not enough of a legal expert to know what crime was committed here except in nj he broke some gun laws that shouldnt even exist.
when planning to kill someone turns into a crime; i really dont know when that happens. id imagine people plan to do bad things all the time and mostly dont do them. so if you are able to prosecute these "pre crimes" you would prosecute many more people than there would have been actual crimes.
and what is your legal expertise? this is the dumbest post i have seen. so its ok for people who dont know what crime the guy is guilty of to call for locking him up but its not ok for someone else to question that logic?
why are you commenting here if you arent a legal expert (i guess you must be right?)
is this guys post ok:
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Originally Posted by somesnapper
We have motive
have a motive for what? is motive a crime? what is motive if you dont carry out an action against anyone? this guy doesnt sound like a legal expert either but thats ok with you because you dont disagree with what he said.
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