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Old 01-06-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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It's disturbing to me to travel overseas and feel the need to appologize for the cavalier way some of our leaders treat our allies. This "my way or the highway" mentality doesn't sit well overseas. It's great that we live in a country where dissent is tolerated and even expected and appreciated. I expect that Obama will be called many things over the next four to eight years.
Just wait until he raises taxes. That should be in the next 6-8 weeks, if you go by the record of past socialist politicians. You will hear many many names, similar to what Bill Clinton endured during his first year of office, when he coerced the 103rd congress into raising taxes across the board. (breaking his campaign promise, and quite early!)
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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Just wait until he raises taxes. That should be in the next 6-8 weeks, if you go by the record of past socialist politicians. You will hear many many names, similar to what Bill Clinton endured during his first year of office, when he coerced the 103rd congress into raising taxes across the board. (breaking his campaign promise, and quite early!)
Since this seems to now be a full blown political discussion, at least raising taxes is honest. As opposed to George Bush, Ronald Reagan, etal. who spent like drunken sailors while cutting taxes, resulting in huge deficits that will be paid for over several generations. I would rather pay more taxes on current earning than have my savings devalued due to declining value of the dollar, which is the result of deficit spending. Clinton had a balanced budget.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:37 PM
 
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Since this seems to now be a full blown political discussion, at least raising taxes is honest. As opposed to George Bush, Ronald Reagan, etal. who spent like drunken sailors while cutting taxes, resulting in huge deficits that will be paid for over several generations. I would rather pay more taxes on current earning than have my savings devalued due to declining value of the dollar, which is the result of deficit spending. Clinton had a balanced budget.
With a big assist from Congress # 104, using CBO numbers to balance it, while leading Clinton, albiet kicking and screaming. What happened to Billy in 93-94 is called good old fashioned 'overeach'. Let's see what happens in the first few months of a 59-41 majority senate, buttressed with the most socialistic president (at least by voting roll call record in the senate) in U.S. history.

Raising taxes is not so much honest as it is morally repugnant, especially income tax.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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With a big assist from Congress # 104, using CBO numbers to balance it, while leading Clinton, albiet kicking and screaming. What happened to Billy in 93-94 is called good old fashioned 'overeach'. Let's see what happens in the first few months of a 59-41 majority senate, buttressed with the most socialistic president (at least by voting roll call record in the senate) in U.S. history.

Raising taxes is not so much honest as it is morally repugnant, especially income tax.
Without raising taxes, how do you propose we pay for the recent bail-outs that our elected representatives were so generous with?
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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Without raising taxes, how do you propose we pay for the recent bail-outs that our elected representatives were so generous with?
That may have been the intent. You should ask Senator Reid and House Speaker Pelosi, who drafted these bills in committee, if that was their intent.

I was against all of those bailouts, incidentally. They were horrible pieces of legislation. I think McCain's voting yea to banking bailout of Bear Sterns probably cost him his election more than anything else. The conservative base was echoed in that situation by Senators Sessions and Shelby (two of the very few remaining members of congress with a vestige of dignity remaining).
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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That may have been the intent. You should ask Senator Reid and House Speaker Pelosi, who drafted these bills in committee, if that was their intent.

I was against all of those bailouts, incidentally. They were horrible pieces of legislation. I think McCain's voting yea to banking bailout of Bear Sterns probably cost him his election more than anything else. The conservative base was echoed in that situation by Senators Sessions and Shelby (two of the very few remaining members of congress with a vestige of dignity remaining).
OK, and how do we pay for Bush's war in Iraq, regardless of who in Congress supported it?
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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OK, and how do we pay for Bush's war in Iraq, regardless of who in Congress supported it?
The same way all wars are financed, through the general fund. The general fund was intended for wars, as they are tantamount to national defense.

The big offenders here are not the wars, they are the leveraged entitlement programs that have been around for very long periods of time. It seems as those on the left have no problem with allowing government to take control of this segment of their lives, yet when it comes to what the Constitution PROVIDED for, national defense, the socialists have a real problem with that.

Again, I keep going back to the Constitution. Wars are intended to be paid for by the government, whereas one's retirement and prescription drug plans aren't.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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The same way all wars are financed, through the general fund. The general fund was intended for wars, as they are tantamount to national defense.

The big offenders here are not the wars, they are the leveraged entitlement programs that have been around for very long periods of time. It seems as those on the left have no problem with allowing government to take control of this segment of their lives, yet when it comes to what the Constitution PROVIDED for, national defense, the socialists have a real problem with that.

Again, I keep going back to the Constitution. Wars are intended to be paid for by the government, whereas one's retirement and prescription drug plans aren't.
I have a problem with equating the Iraq war with national defense, but that's a whole other argument.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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I have a problem with equating the Iraq war with national defense, but that's a whole other argument.
If you were alive, you'd have felt the same way about Vietnam, and Korea?
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Old 01-06-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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If you were alive, you'd have felt the same way about Vietnam, and Korea?
I was born shortly after the Korean War (well 1956), and yes, I question whether either conflict had much impact on our national defense. The Vietnam War sure was good for business, though; although I seem to recall massive inflation.
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