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As much as pure Hip-hop is almost non-existent today, I am of the opinion that Hip-hop is the most creative movement in NYC. No other form of music represents NYC as much as Hip-hop has. Hip-hop put New York on the map outside of commerce.
Yes, I said it. Outside of commerce, Hip-hop put NYC on the map as far as culture goes.
I don't have the answer. And what I'm about to write is me speaking for myself ---and no one else. The only thing I truly like about that culture is street dance which is today known the world over, as evidenced by things like ABDC, You Got Served, Step Up, Step Up 2, Step Up 3 and even that TV commercial from Sears (the multi motion washing machine commercial) I'm proud to know that that type of dance came from here! Street dance sends me into a real tizzy because of its uniqueness and just plain awesomeness. You can't compare it to anything and I mean that in a good way! My brother and I absolutely love You Got Served and I love ABDC. Plus it doesn't promote harm/violence -- Just good clean fun. But the rest of hip hop culture can pretty much vanish and I wouldn't care so much. I don't want to see the fashion every day (except when I'm watching ABDC, then it's integral and I want to see it in a very pronounced way). Furthermore, only a small fraction of hip hop music is pleasant to my ears. And I detest graffiti. Oh boy, I can't even put that hatred into words. Now let me ask you for clarification, since you posted this thread, and I don't mean to hijack your thread, but true or false? --Hip hop refers to the culture, and rap music is a part of that culture, right? And, more importantly, the term hip hop is used because it sounds dumb if someone says "rap shirt" but correct if someone says "hip hop shirt". This is my understanding. Thanks. In short, I feel street dance represents the best of the hip hop cosmos. The rest of it I can live without.
Hip-hop is the culture. Rap is a verb. Rap is when an emcee speaks over a break beat. However, corporate America distorted the media and gave watered down music the label for whatever reason.
Hip-hop consists of emceeing, djing(breaking beats), Graffiti, and break dancing.
The true culture died out around the early 90s. Corporate hijacked the movement and distorted it.
You could still see some of the true culture in some parts of Europe, and even Asia.
Graffiti is art. It could be vandelism, but It's art nonetheless.
If you're interested, you could check out a few Hip-hop documentaries on Youtube. Style Wars and Beatstreet are must sees.
Well I think the Bronx has done a lot as far as culture goes. It may not have the visual/demographic appeal, but it is the birthplace of hip hop. The Yankee stadium is also there, which is basically the most iconic sports team in the world.
Anyway, I don't think hip hop put NYC on the map. The Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island put NYC on the map YEARS before Hip Hop was a thought. It was, however, the biggest culture movement in the city. Hip Hop also influences fashion (which adds on to the fact that NYC is the fashion capital of zee world)
To be honest, I think Hip Hop has been dead ever since it entered the south. NY/NJ/CA is where hip hop thrived best IMO.
Yes, I said it. Outside of commerce, Hip-hop put NYC on the map as far as culture goes.
Then perhaps you haven't read enough history to know that the concerts Alan Freed hosted at the old Brooklyn Paramount were actually what introduced rock 'n roll to the world.
Then perhaps you haven't read enough history to know that the concerts Alan Freed hosted at the old Brooklyn Paramount were actually what introduced rock 'n roll to the world.
Not to mention the Velvet Underground, New York Dolls, Ramones, Dictators, and other stalwarts of the Max's Kansas City and CBGBs scenes.
You're thinking is way too short-sighted because it discounts all of the arts and culture that NYC was (inter)nationally know for long before the parents of the hip-hoppers were even born. I'd say that Broadway/live theatre, television and radio top hip-hop by a long shot.
I hope this thread is a joke because Hip Hop might be one of the WORST things that has happened in generations.It certainly hasn't had any positive influence at all.It glorifies violence and ghetto culture and has resulted in 2 lost generations of people who aspire to nothing but staying in the ghetto either as gang bangers or rappers.What a waste of lives.I hope the era is drawing to a close.
I hope this thread is a joke because Hip Hop might be one of the WORST things that has happened in generations.It certainly hasn't had any positive influence at all.It glorifies violence and ghetto culture and has resulted in 2 lost generations of people who aspire to nothing but staying in the ghetto either as gang bangers or rappers.What a waste of lives.I hope the era is drawing to a close.
Yes,I said it.
I can sort of understand what you're saying. With the exception of street dance, hip hop culture can kiss me where the sun don't shine. Most of it I mean. I know that probably sounds horrid, sorry. I'm used to a certain type of fashion and basically I only want to see hip hop fashion on stage. I know that probably sounds awful but it's how I feel. I hate low pants and underwear in public view and thankfully it will be a snowy day in hell before that stuff is allowed in law firms or on Wall Street ..... However, maybe if you watched 15 minutes of ABDC, you'd see how positive and uplifting it is. It really is. Every race participates in ABDC. And keep in mind these comments are coming from me who already said hip hop is not my cup of tea. Even the "dance battles" are captivating and family-friendly. Well, most of the time if they keep the dancing clean and not sexually suggestive. Had it not been for street dance, things like ABDC would not exist and Paula Abdul wouldn't be a household name. I have a feeling the foul gangsta subculture that we all know and hate developed outside of hip hop. Although there's some overlap in the 2 subcultures (e.g. killings involving rival record labels), I have a feeling gangsta-ism is a pathogen/virus in the body of hip hop. Hip hop came first and gangsta-ism exploited it. The exact origin of the gangsta virus is open for debate but if we're blessed, it'll be the first element to fade into the history books and never rear its ugly head again. The sooner the better.
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