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Old 01-29-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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NYCHA specifically has to have staff clean the grounds of the projects, in part from residents throwing garbage out of the windows and all over the place. It's a BIG problem wherever you have lots of poor people.

Oh, and I forgot projects have issues with people urinating in hallways, etc.

You'll never get NYCHA full of middle class people. You just won't.

And actually, a lot of projects from the beginning where built to house poor people. Robert Moses cleared SLUMS and dumped people in projects near the water (Coney Island, the Rockaway, the LES projects, etc.). Some of them from their very inception always HOUSED underclass people.
Yes I know about the issue with people who urinate in elevators and hallways.

This does not mean EVERYONE who lives there does it.

Ok. So what this sum up to?

It stands to reason that the projects were just an idea that was a huge flop.

It should tell us that poor people dumped in one place to be transferred to another is obviously not a solution.
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Yes I know about the issue with people who urinate in elevators and hallways.

This does not mean EVERYONE who lives there does it.

Ok. So what this sum up to?

It stands to reason that the projects were just an idea that was a huge flop.

It should tell us that poor people dumped in one place to be transferred to another is obviously not a solution.
When did I say all people who live in the projects do that? Unfortunately it only takes one or a few of those people doing that to basically stink up the building and make it undesirable for anyone who can live anywhere else.

With that said, yes, the projects were an idea that was just a huge flop. You are 100% right. It was the definition of an EPIC FAIL.

ANd yes, poor people dumped in one place to be transferred out is not a solution. If you just dumped them all somewhere else you'd just recreate project conditions there.

As big parts of Brooklyn have gentrified, all that has done is concentrate those on government programs in areas like East New York, Brownsville, Cypress Hills, and the like, making them arguably worse.

Some parts of the Bronx like Edenwald are getting an influx of people who were pushed out from the gentrifying areas. It's the same deal.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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i don't see how some of you make any money talking trash about poor people all day, because you might as well be even worse off if that's all you know how to do.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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You know, there are people who are homeless because they want to be, for a variety of reasons. I personally have known homeless people who hated anything to do with authority or the welfare system to the point where they'd rather panhandle than deal with social services.
I guess all the people that lost their homes to Sandy are homeless because they want to.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:34 PM
 
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I lived in a building were we had good tenants and bad tenants.We made a tenant association .The good tenants voted the bad tenants out.If renting to an undesirable tenant (causing trouble,selling drugs,vandalizing) a landlord has all the right to evict the vandal. Do the same thing in the projects.Let the city survey the buildings.Keep the good tenants in and the undesirables out.Not everyone that lives in the projects is bad."The first U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security grew up in public housing in Erie, Pennsylvania.Honorable Sonia Sotomayor grew up on Bronxdale Houses ,Bill Cosby came from the projects and still gives his time and money to many important causes in thee community. President Jimmy Carter also came from public housing and Elvis made a leap from public housing to Graceland."
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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I lived in a building were we had good tenants and bad tenants.We made a tenant association .The good tenants voted the bad tenants out.If renting to an undesirable tenant (causing trouble,selling drugs,vandalizing) a landlord has all the right to evict the vandal. Do the same thing in the projects.Let the city survey the buildings.Keep the good tenants in and the undesirables out.Not everyone that lives in the projects is bad."The first U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security grew up in public housing in Erie, Pennsylvania.Honorable Sonia Sotomayor grew up on Bronxdale Houses ,Bill Cosby came from the projects and still gives his time and money to many important causes in thee community. President Jimmy Carter also came from public housing and Elvis made a leap from public housing to Graceland."
Evicting a tenant who pays the rent is not a simple procedure. You'd need the tenant to not only be arrested, you'd likely need the tenant to be convicted before the person can be kicked out. Otherwise, where is the proof that the tenant is selling drugs? Of course, in a ghetto building I would not want to be the one to get someone convicted for selling drugs. Think retaliation.

No one ever said everyone who lives in public housing is bad. But Sotomayor and Carter left public housing and didn't go back. Public housing remains where the nation's POOREST people live. They tend to be crime ridden, dangerous, filthy, and the buildings themselves are not maintained. Frankly, it sucks. No amount of apologizing will ever change that.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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I guess all the people that lost their homes to Sandy are homeless because they want to.
Since you claim to represent poor people so well, why don't you help them not be homeless? Take a few of them in your house!
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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I lived in a building were we had good tenants and bad tenants.We made a tenant association .The good tenants voted the bad tenants out.If renting to an undesirable tenant (causing trouble,selling drugs,vandalizing) a landlord has all the right to evict the vandal. Do the same thing in the projects.Let the city survey the buildings.Keep the good tenants in and the undesirables out.Not everyone that lives in the projects is bad."The first U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security grew up in public housing in Erie, Pennsylvania.Honorable Sonia Sotomayor grew up on Bronxdale Houses ,Bill Cosby came from the projects and still gives his time and money to many important causes in thee community. President Jimmy Carter also came from public housing and Elvis made a leap from public housing to Graceland."
Lloyd Blankfein also came from the PJs. How will the city be able to fund a program to survey all of these complexes on an ongoing continuous basis? By taxing the likes of Lloyd Blankfein, Sonia Sotomayor, Bill Cosby and Jimmy Carter?
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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I lived in a building were we had good tenants and bad tenants.We made a tenant association .The good tenants voted the bad tenants out.If renting to an undesirable tenant (causing trouble,selling drugs,vandalizing) a landlord has all the right to evict the vandal. Do the same thing in the projects.Let the city survey the buildings.Keep the good tenants in and the undesirables out.Not everyone that lives in the projects is bad."The first U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security grew up in public housing in Erie, Pennsylvania.Honorable Sonia Sotomayor grew up on Bronxdale Houses ,Bill Cosby came from the projects and still gives his time and money to many important causes in thee community. President Jimmy Carter also came from public housing and Elvis made a leap from public housing to Graceland."
I agree. and countless other individuals came from the projects and "humble beginnings."

I think what set these people apart is that they had supportive and strong family structures. Although some may have not.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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how do you know so much about the projects if you don't live there?
and, if you had to live that way, what do you think would be the chances
of you ever getting out or not making matters worse by winding up in
and out of jail?


i need a realistic answer or don't answer at all, since you know so much.
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