Whats the bad side of Bed-Stuy ?? (Bedford, Greene: crime, home, neighborhood)
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Actually, the huge returns do say something about safety. Those neighborhoods are safe enough for buyers and for the renters paying those high prices, or else they would bail out and the prices would suffer big time. The high demand for this real estate says something right there.
What do you base this on? It's not accurate.
Real Estate works like the stock market. The market will tank before a recession hits and it will take off before the boom hits. The market looks in advance of the current situation.
The big money players that are moving into deep parts of the outerboroughs are betting that gentrification will hit and crime will eventually go away. Some people moving in now don't even realize that Bed Stuy is STILL one of the most unsafe places in all of NYC. They are guessing that the crime will go away. It may or may not, but it hasn't yet
You tell me, you're the one posting meaningless stats.
Even though I agree with super mario about safety in these up and coming areas. One can not forget that super mario lives in an 1980s time warp. Dont get me wrong crime has gone down in years compared to its peak 2 decades ago. I can say is this that crime can never be eliminated and it happens in un questionable areas, such as wealthy areas even.
Lower Central Harlem does not have too many housing projects, so again, why is this gentrified neighborhood as bad as it gets in NYC? Whose committing the crimes, where do they occur?
The old-timers who are still around in rent-stabilized apartments is my guess, plus spillover from the projects. There are also a couple of NYCHA rehabs in the confines of the 28 that I was unaware of.
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Over the years gentrification does a great job circumnavigating around housing projects and section 8 tenements. YOu might be right some folks are not targeted by violent crime, however nothing stops folks from breaking into homes and stealing macs or robbing someone from their iphones on 116th and Lenox Av.
I have been saying this for sometime Supermario. Gentrification does not eliminate crime to a certain degree regardless of its Harlem, Bedstuy, Fort Green, Mott Haven, Les. Hell I will throw Washington Heights in their too my friend. These areas are all still and are very hood. I just find it funny over the years how can gentrification circumnavigate around housing projects. What sucks is that whatever crime their is in an area will not stop and slow down gentrification. Hell plenty of gentrifiers need their drug fix too, to many times I have seen plenty of Jamaican and Dominican men go up to these nice buildings and come back out in 5 minutes tops.
Hell just looking up the percent of crime drops from the 1990 to now of select precincts:
Those are and were the worst hoods NYC had to offer. I didn't include the 34th cause it has since been cut in half, and the 41st added riker's island stats to it in the late 1990's, so that would skew things a bit. Anyways, out of the list the ones who have seen any form of gentrification (fully, portion, etc) are the 7th, 9th, 26th, 28th, 32nd, 78th, 79th, 83rd, 88th which are
(-73.96) 7th: Lower East Side
( -74.60) 9th: East Village
(-79.62) 26th: Morningside Heights
(-74.88) 28th: Lower Central Harlem
(-77.62) 32nd: Upper Central Harlem
(-80.49) 78th: Park Slope
(-76.12) 79th: Western Bed Stuy
(-74.34) 83rd: Bushwick
(-77.88) 88th: Fort Greene
Those crime drops are not statistically different than untouched hoods. Look at the 46th precinct in the west-Central Bronx, it has seen a drop of -80.70 percent! more of a crime drop than Park Slope. Hell Brownsville has actually seen more of a crime drop than the LES, about the same drop as the East Village, Lower Central Harlem and Bushwick....
But basically the point is that gentrification does absolute jack for the safety of neighborhoods. All NYC has seen the same range of crime drop. You know what really made neighborhoods safer? The end of the crack era.
The old-timers who are still around in rent-stabilized apartments is my guess, plus spillover from the projects. There are also a couple of NYCHA rehabs in the confines of the 28 that I was unaware of.
Ok thanks. I figured it had to be the old residents, who still outnumber new ones, and NYCHA. Do you agree with my above post about gentrification having nothing to do with making a neighborhood safer?
Those are and were the worst hoods NYC had to offer. I didn't include the 34th cause it has since been cut in half, and the 41st added riker's island stats to it in the late 1990's, so that would skew things a bit. Anyways, out of the list the ones who have seen any form of gentrification (fully, portion, etc) are the 7th, 9th, 26th, 28th, 32nd, 78th, 79th, 83rd, 88th which are
(-73.96) 7th: Lower East Side
( -74.60) 9th: East Village
(-79.62) 26th: Morningside Heights
(-74.88) 28th: Lower Central Harlem
(-77.62) 32nd: Upper Central Harlem
(-80.49) 78th: Park Slope
(-76.12) 79th: Western Bed Stuy
(-74.34) 83rd: Bushwick
(-77.88) 88th: Fort Greene
Those crime drops are not statistically different than untouched hoods. Look at the 46th precinct in the west-Central Bronx, it has seen a drop of -80.70 percent! more of a crime drop than Park Slope. Hell Brownsville has actually seen more of a crime drop than the LES, about the same drop as the East Village, Lower Central Harlem and Bushwick....
But basically the point is that gentrification does absolute jack for the safety of neighborhoods. All NYC has seen the same range of crime drop. You know what really made neighborhoods safer? The end of the crack era.
Crack era is part of it, lets not forget those rico laws along with the Italian mafia going to federal prison. However gentrification can not eliminate crime but however makes areas more safer? Hell gentrification cant even improve public school system as of yet.
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Crack era is part of it, lets not forget those rico laws along with the Italian mafia going to federal prison. However gentrification can not eliminate crime but however makes areas more safer.
If it makes areas safer then why is there no statistical difference between the crime drops of gentrified and non-gentrifried hoods?
If it makes areas safer then why is there no statistical difference between the crime drops of gentrified and non-gentrifried hoods?
Beats me. I always have said that gentrification does not eliminate crime or even the criminal element. What makes it worst is that crimimals hide and thrive amongst the hard working poor who are more likely to be victimized. A good examle of this is Dominican immigration Mr. ROJAS who was shotnin the head by a 14 year old kid trying to kill a rival gang member on a moving bus in Bed Stuy. The only major crime drop is murders. However supernario im sure you prefer a higher murdet rate than a high violetlnt crine rate?
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