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Old 11-22-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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Yeah ok. And I'd love to hear your dumba$$ reaction when white people in gentrifying areas begin to "desegregate" minority schools. I bet you'll be screaming discrimination or the rich are invading our minority schools. Keep whitey out! Right?

I'd bet that you'd love to preserve minority schools and keep them that way. Am I right? FOH!
White people in gentrifying areas are all ready desegregating minority schools. I'm all for it. I'm pro gentrification.

Someone has to pay for services like public education, public transportation, etc. So a city wants to get as many as well off people in prime areas as they can. These people spend money, and they pay for other good thing in the neighborhood like restaurants.

Kids from poor families don't benefit from being in isolated neighborhoods where all they see is other poor kids because that's all they know. But as neighborhoods gentrify the remaining poor kids are certainly exposed to a lot, and they know if they want to stay in a decent area they will need to do what they must to move up socioeconomically (education, work, etc).
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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I am talking about the breadknot couples who move here, hog studios and one bedrooms, breed, and then don't move and expect everything to be in accordance to their corny utopian ideals. Sorry, but I HATE them.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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White people in gentrifying areas are all ready desegregating minority schools. I'm all for it. I'm pro gentrification.

Someone has to pay for services like public education, public transportation, etc. So a city wants to get as many as well off people in prime areas as they can. These people spend money, and they pay for other good thing in the neighborhood like restaurants.

Kids from poor families don't benefit from being in isolated neighborhoods where all they see is other poor kids because that's all they know. But as neighborhoods gentrify the remaining poor kids are certainly exposed to a lot, and they know if they want to stay in a decent area they will need to do what they must to move up socioeconomically (education, work, etc).
This is exactly what's happening, but seems that the new policy aims to put a cap on the effects of gentrification especially when all the schools that they selected are in areas where gentrification is happening or about to happen. So what would happen if 80% of the area becomes gentrifying professionals and the school policy only allows 40% of seats for non-disadvantage students? Does that sound like the right policy. All this talk about the specialized high schools should racially reflect the city is all BS when they're trying to create policies to prevent neighborhood zoned schools from reflecting those exact neighborhoods. Luckily I made a decision not to risk raising kids in a gentrifying area that I grew up in.

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Old 11-22-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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I am talking about the breadknot couples who move here, hog studios and one bedrooms, breed, and then don't move and expect everything to be in accordance to their corny utopian ideals. Sorry, but I HATE them.
Doesn't matter. What you think doesn't affect them. You're suffering, not them. All you can do is hate.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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This is exactly what's happening, but seems that the new policy aims to put a cap on the effects of gentrification especially when all the schools that they selected are in areas where gentrification is happening or about to happen. So what would happen if 80% of the area becomes gentrifying professionals and the school policy only allows 40% of seats for non-disadvantage students? Does that sound like the right policy. All this talk about the specialized high schools should racially reflect the city is all BS when they're trying to create policies to prevent neighborhood zoned schools from reflecting those exact neighborhoods. Luckily I made a decision not to risk raising kids in a gentrifying area that I grew up in.
That scenario is not the case in any of these schools.

So the true problem you have is your kids might have to go to school with significant number of minority kids.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:41 PM
 
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Forced integration will not solve the problem but instead will probably breed new ones.

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While I don't believe that forced integration solves problems please don't fool yourself that racial segregation in the USA isn't primarily based on racial assumptions.


In fact this shows the hypocrisy of many white liberals. They want to control the racial composition of the schools. They assume that all blacks are poor, in fact thinking that only the blacks who they feel comfortable among aren't poor. And they don't think that non whites have ideas which are worth listening to.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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Minorty children from established families who move to middle-class white neighborhoods not because of affordable housing or forced de-segregation schemes but rather being successful and making proper life choices fit in just fine and I welcome any minority group into my neighbohood who does it this way.


Yet black kids on college campuses are protesting against racial slights. You do know that these kids from the same middle class families that you claim to have no problems with.


There are issues of class, but RACE remains an issue, IRRESPECTIVE of class.
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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So the true problem you have is your kids might have to go to school with significant number of minority kids.
I live in a gentrifying area and it pretty clear the black and hispanic kids fall behind in school due to lack of parents prioritizing their kids education. They are allowed to play and have fun all day (when they are out of school). While a white and asian kid would be at home studying or attending after school programs. I would avoid my kids going to a school with kids from the projects because I don't want them to be influence by the kids in the projects telling my kid it is acceptable to have fun and not study seriously. Having your child surrounded by overachievers in a competitive environment will help them understand how to handle adversities in life (when they become an adult).
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Old 11-22-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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Doesn't matter. What you think doesn't affect them. You're suffering, not them. All you can do is hate.
It's a bitter pill to swallow. I was born in Jersey City and grew up there. I only moved to NYC because it seemed like the easiest place to make a living, and it was.. For a while. Now people like me are considered trash and should just suck it up. I can't even afford to move back to Jersey City! :/
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Old 11-22-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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Having your child surrounded by overachievers in a competitive environment will help them understand how to handle adversities in life

Or could flat out cause them to die of anxiety and social wannabeness. Actually, growing up in an an environment of nothing but overachievers with obnoxious helicopter parents teaches them NOTHING about adversity in life actually. nothing.

I don't know how I feel about this issue when it comes to schools since I'm not a breeder, but I do see how these issues affect where I live and it sucks a lot. Makes it very unappealing. No wonder gays don't even bother moving to this corny city anymore.
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