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Old 11-22-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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You live where you can afford. I don't live in a poor area per say, it is a safe middle class neighborhood that is gentrifying (has a short commute to Manhattan).


And so the consequence of this is to have to deal with an environment where poor/lower middle class kids predominate. You cannot remove them. This is what gentrifyers need to understand. While you have a right to demand and work towards improving your new neighborhood you have to work WITH and not against those who have been living there, especially if they are home owners, and so have a vested stake in the area.

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Old 11-22-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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Yet black kids on college campuses are protesting against racial slights. You do know that these kids from the same middle class families that you claim to have no problems with.


There are issues of class, but RACE remains an issue, IRRESPECTIVE of class.
That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with being a generation of whiny little b*tches. I have no sympathy for them and their inability to handle "micro-aggressions". My entire existence is an antithesis to their ways.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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Just my general observation from living in NYC. If your looking for statistics I would use the entrance exams for gifted and talented program has a over-representation of asian and white kids compared to the general population of NYC. White and Asian parents are more likely to know how to game the system making the kids come to the tests better prepared.



I would add that I view the hispanic and black kids in my neighborhood as well behaved and good people. There no correct way to raising kids. However, NYC is evolving into a place where only white collar professionals can live comfortably, the barrier to a decent paying job has become a college degree (that might not even be enough given the raising cost of college tuition). So I view pushing your kids education as a necessity despite the negative drawbacks that can come if you reach to far into the extremes.
Pushing your kids isn't enough if the money isn't there. Because a college degree often isn't enough. They may need licenses or advanced degrees.

Who pays for all this? Now if you have the resources to do so, great. But if you're dirt poor, where are you going to get all the money for from this? Please don't say financial aid, relying on it alone just isn't viable.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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The reason why they want to see more diversity in leadership and at the faculty level is that they have experienced the white leadership and faculty being completely unwilling to acknowledge their concerns.


On what planet does one think that your average 18 year old, in an environment which is insensitive to him, can cope with an endless parade of insiders (rich white kids) mocking who he is?


Would it be free speech if one year the frats decided to mock Hasidic Jews, or the blacks decided to wear slave master costumes, while cracking the whip on fellow black students?


Free speech is one thing. Open and unrestricted ridicule is another, and this is why the students, in trying to find a solution, think that having more black leadership figures would reduce the problem.


I suggest that white men sometimes try to understand that 2/3 of the USA aren't white men, and the world which we experience might on occasion be different from what they experience. They should start by acknowledging that fact.
Yawn.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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That has nothing to do with race and everything to do with being a generation of whiny little b*tches. .


Tell you what. Let the black students next year do a Halloween wearing Jewish Orthodox attire and see how quickly they are demonized. Or let them go as white slave owners, whips in hand, and see how fast they get accused of playing the race card.


Or let them go portraying whites as heroin addicts (reportedly 90% of those who have tried it for the 1st time are white) and see how they get accused of being insensitive.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:50 PM
 
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Yawn.


Yawn to you too.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:52 PM
 
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Tell you what. Let the black students next year do a Halloween wearing Jewish Orthodox attire and see how quickly they are demonized. Or let them go as white slave owners, whips in hand, and see how fast they get accused of playing the race card.


Or let them go portraying whites as heroin addicts (reportedly 90% of those who have tried it for the 1st time are white) and see how they get accused of being insensitive.
Besides the obvious fact that white people cannot be offended or have racism committed upon them, and the fact that that the media would never report it...

... Yeah, no one would care because the people they'd be "mocking" are not the "perpetually offended class".

I for one am proud whenever these types mock my core values: gun ownership, patriotism and manliness). It means they hate me, and that is good.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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The things that some of them are protesting about and demanding can't be resolved. One of their top demands is that they want the professors' racial makeup to reflect the students using explicit quotas, which may not even be possible even with affirmative action on staff recruitment not to mention that non-black professors whom are educated and resourceful will sue and win. And there already is a priority to hire non-white/asian professors in many schools.

I think there are similar demands in NYC schools which may make sense for the lower grades if it makes the little kids feel more comfortable. Teachers as well as all administrative staff affirmative action in all NYC schools in lower grades merits a study on its effectiveness. Though from my own personal experience growing up in a 90%+ non-white area, the first non-white teacher I had was probably in high school and it didn't bother me one bit.
Sure universities can hire more non white professors if they want to. There are Blacks and Hispanics with degrees, even advanced degrees.

And no the non Black professors won't sue and they won't win. Private universities can hire ANY QUALIFIED CANDIDATE that they CHOOSE to. Just like they more or less can admit who they choose to.

Actually it's good the students are protesting. The universities say they are so progressive, so let them put their money where their mouthes are.

And actually white women went through this years ago. The Ivy League was all WHITE MEN. White WOMEN had to go to women's schools, so of course you do not have women professors. Only after the 60s were top universities integrated and women allowed in large numbers (though Columbia College at Columbia University didn't admit women until 1983).

As universities allowed in women and eventually hired women professors, male professors did not complain and sue. A number of top universities have now had women presidents.

Brown University has already agreed to hire a more diverse faculty.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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Outside of the people who live in the projects most don't view themselves as poor. Most are rather affluent given how much their property value has rising since they bought their property in the 90's or earlier. However, just because their parents made it in NYC while working blue collar jobs (with only having a high school degree) doesn't mean their kids will be able to replicate their parents success following the same path (especially with the increasing cost of living).



You live where you can afford. I don't live in a poor area per say, it is a safe middle class neighborhood that is gentrifying (has a short commute to Manhattan).
I've known educated whites who have nice places in Manhattan because they had substantial financial support AFTER they got their degrees. I've even met young whites whose parents BOUGHT them apartments in Midtown! No amount of high testing in k-12 can compete with ESTABLISHED family well and social networks.

NYC is the least fair place, and in being so unfair it is very fare. When you buy an apartment or rent a place they want to see your INCOME and ASSETS. How you got those things is not so important.
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Old 11-22-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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Besides the obvious fact that white people cannot be offended or have racism committed upon them, and the fact that that the media would never report it...

... .


Funny thing FOX TV and NY Post are very quick to scream about white persecution. According to them straight white men face more discrimination and bias than any other group in this country.


Your screams that white men are the new victims is so hilarious and pathetic. You should tell NY Post to "man up" and stop squealing that an anti gentrification protester is intent to attack whites. The thread is right near to this one.
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