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I hope this fire makes everyone now go out and get rental insurance that doesn't have it already.
You may be a great tenant but all it takes is one negligent neighbor to ********* over big time.
Its well worth the $120, I pay a year for piece of mind.
Yes, definitely. You hope to never have to use renter's insurance but you never know what may happen and it costs relatively little. I've actually been involved in a fire (not in NYC) and had friends involved in a fire (in NYC) and renter's insurance helped to cover property loss (furniture, electronics, clothes, etc) as well as the cost of temporary accommodations.
Maybe, but they could have ..and should have.... taken the kid away from the negligent mother.
I know it's a sign of old age but when I was a kid they regularly removed kids from negligent parents and expelled troublemakers from schools. They don't do any of that stuff anymore.They just let it all unfold.
It's easy to Monday morning quarterback, but removing children from their parents does serious damage to families and has to be the last resort. If ACS was aware of the kid's fascination with fire, they should have at least made sure to intervene and make sure the stove had child-proof knobs. I agree with whoever said ACS is damned if they do and damned if they don't. They can't predict the future. Removing 25% of kids in NYC and giving them to foster parents would surely do way more harm than good. These are interesting reads:
I know someone who was investigated by ACS -- she was leaving her younger kids in the care of the older one in the evening to go to work (not ideal but supposed to be temporary) and her neighbor reported her. The investigation went on for a few months and she quit that job, and eventually found one during school hours but got behind in the rent and was evicted a few months ago and is now essentially homeless. It's a tragedy, and now the eviction is on her record and it's almost impossible to find another apartment.
I bet most people who were kids in the 70s and 80s were very much neglected by today's standards (we definitely were). Our parents didn't know where we were most of the time, but a lot of people talk about how parents now are too protective and are nostalgic for that era.
does anyone have a link to the "notice to sue" filing? I don't even know what the heck that is, it's not a complaint or summons, sounds like a PR news release without any substance.
So this mother, likely not working but getting welfare, foodstamps, healthcare and free housing (so basically everything paid for, living in an ultra-expensive city no less where everyone else who is responsible has to work their butt off just to survive), all paid for by the taxpayers, pops out...what...4 children (and likely more in the future) and one of them ends up killing twelve people and now the same taxpayers are going to have to pay millions more in these lawsuits?
What exactly is someone like her’s purpose to society is again?
Does no one else see the absolute craziness of how our system is setup? How long can society function like this before breaking down when you have the freeloaders out-reproducing the productive members of society?
Vilensky said that while he’s not sure if ACS was in fact monitoring the firebug’s mom, he has to make the allegation in a notice of claim within 90 days, or risk not being able to file a lawsuit.
“I always err on the side of my client,” he said.
Vilensky’s clients say they saw city agents visiting the mother’s apartment in the past.
“They were well aware that the mother might not have been the greatest mother in terms of watching that child,” he said. “If ACS was involved, then they didn’t do the greatest job in the world in protecting that child.”
Fire bugs Poppa probably banged this animal like a screen door to produce THE HUMAN TORCH and now WHITEY HAS TO PAY ??
Agreed. How does responsible citizens like us that have get up to work everyday, pay their (heavy) taxes and have to worry about the (crazy) rents, get to opt out of this unfair system that treats them like work animals but certain freeloading groups get to sit around and make lots of babies and when they do something wrong (which is often), the same dumb taxpayers have to pay for that too?
I guess neither of you detected my sarcasm... I predicted this is another thread, so no need for the classroom lecture. I know the routine. That doesn't mean that I agree that the city's taxpayers should have to cough up money for the incompetence of the mother. Imbecile...
I got your sarcasm. My post wasn't a lecture, it was a statement.
People lost loved ones and possessions because of the City's inability to make a hard decision and take a child away from it's mother.
For whatever reason if this kid does in fact have some fascination with fire therapy is needed. Besides that, unless Mom had crap all over the kid is savvy enough to not just turn on the stove but also get something to watch it burn.
We don't know what CPS knew. What if CPS knew the kid was a Firestarter and thought he would grow out of it like many kids do? What if the combination of lazy parenting and bleeding heart, or heavy case load CPS contributed to this?
There should be accountability. Being parent comes with an amazing responsibility and she failed big time. Your kid is starting fires and you can't stop him or her? You don't get an ounce of free time. That kid is with you 24/7. She didn't do that because she didn't take it seriously and this is the result. The issue is so bad CPS is called? Damn right her kid should have been taken away.
This is a lesson for other parents that think they can do this and parent this way.
My mom and dad would have burn my hand if I was starting fires.
I got your sarcasm. My post wasn't a lecture, it was a statement.
People lost loved ones and possessions because of the City's inability to make a hard decision and take a child away from it's mother.
For whatever reason if this kid does in fact have some fascination with fire therapy is needed. Besides that, unless Mom had crap all over the kid is savvy enough to not just turn on the stove but also get something to watch it burn.
We don't know what CPS knew. What if CPS knew the kid was a Firestarter and thought he would grow out of it like many kids do? What if the combination of lazy parenting and bleeding heart, or heavy case load CPS contributed to this?
There should be accountability. Being parent comes with an amazing responsibility and she failed big time. Your kid is starting fires and you can't stop him or her? You don't get an ounce of free time. That kid is with you 24/7. She didn't do that because she didn't take it seriously and this is the result. The issue is so bad CPS is called? Damn right her kid should have been taken away.
This is a lesson for other parents that think they can do this and parent this way.
My mom and dad would have burn my hand if I was starting fires.
If I was a victim of her incompetence, I would name her as part of the suit, even if she has nothing, and see if she could be prosecuted in some way. She definitely should bare some responsibility for this.
I don't fault ACS, not unless they knew more than what we know so far and didn't act. As others have said, removing a child from the home is a long and difficult process. We also have to remember that we have a homeless crisis here, with plenty of families with kids having no place to live, so it's easy to say remove the child, but I doubt that there are tons of people lined up wanting to take a three year old who is known to have issues with starting fires. It's like taking the kid out of the pot and putting him into the fire (excuse the pun).
If I was a victim of her incompetence, I would name her as part of the suit, even if she has nothing, and see if she could be prosecuted in some way. She definitely should bare some responsibility for this.
I don't fault ACS, not unless they knew more than what we know so far and didn't act. As others have said, removing a child from the home is a long and difficult process. We also have to remember that we have a homeless crisis here, with plenty of families with kids having no place to live, so it's easy to say remove the child, but I doubt that there are tons of people lined up wanting to take a three year old who is known to have issues with starting fires. It's like taking the kid out of the pot and putting him into the fire (excuse the pun).
But taking him out of the house, even if it was for therapy session might have helped. Did they do anything? It sounds like they filed a report. I know that finding him a foster home would be hard but maybe being IN that home was part of the problem.
I fault CPS/ACS because they didn't take it seriously.
But taking him out of the house, even if it was for therapy session might have helped. Did they do anything? It sounds like they filed a report. I know that finding him a foster home would be hard but maybe being IN that home was part of the problem.
I fault CPS/ACS because they didn't take it seriously.
It would be the city's fault if something happened to the kid, but it didn't.
The city has a role in protecting kids from their parents, not the other way around
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