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Growing up in the suburbs, "the city" referred to any place we went to in Manhattan and that included the museums on the UWS and UES and the hospitals on the UES. We never had a reason to go to Harlem or further uptown.
When I moved into the city, among my peer group, we didn't really think about upper Manhattan much. I think it was generally understood that anytime someone mentioned living in Manhattan, it was below 96th Street. Maybe a little further north on the west side to include Columbia. Harlem and Washington Heights were considered akin to the outer boroughs.
Serious question: what’s the functional or structural difference between Harlem/Washington Heights and UWS? It’s not as if there aren’t colleges, museums and other cultural institutions up there. You don’t cross a body of water. All the street addresses are NY, NY. Phone numbers are 212. “I never had a reason to go there” doesn’t cut it.
Serious question: what’s the functional or structural difference between Harlem/Washington Heights and UWS? It’s not as if there aren’t colleges, museums and other cultural institutions up there. You don’t cross a body of water. All the street addresses are NY, NY. Phone numbers are 212. “I never had a reason to go there” doesn’t cut it.
You're taking this way too seriously. I just relayed the way we used the phrase "the city". If we never went up to Harlem and Washington Heights, there was no reason to talk about it. It's not like I'm arguing how others should use the word.
Speaking of making stuff up, no way that LIC is bigger than DTLA. I’m not even sure that it’s adding as much as DTLA which is a much larger area. Even if it’s added more, dtla started off with so much more that lic certainly hasn’t caught up.
Sure if you want to generalize absolutely everything is made up. But there are norms that are followed everywhere and in NYC in Manhattan there is downtown, midtown, and uptown. You can make up new rules and take your ball with you all like, doesn't mean anybody will start changing everything to suit you
In terms of size, you'd be surprised at how big LIC has become. We're talking square footage of high rises here, do you have a number on the footage for downtown LA high rises?
To the OP, if you're trying to equate the use of "Downtown" to "CBD" then New York City has three, FiDi, Midtown and Downtown Brooklyn. And that's how they should be used, many other metro areas have multiple "downtowns" such as LA has Century City along with Los Angeles City, Kansas City has Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas City, Kansas. It's just that in most of those cases they are separate "cities" in the census description.
To the OP, if you're trying to equate the use of "Downtown" to "CBD" then New York City has three, FiDi, Midtown and Downtown Brooklyn. And that's how they should be used, many other metro areas have multiple "downtowns" such as LA has Century City along with Los Angeles City, Kansas City has Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas City, Kansas. It's just that in most of those cases they are separate "cities" in the census description.
There's more than just 3
Queens has 2 by itself
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Well now you're getting into the realm of "Commercial Center" vs "Central Business District" and for the most part the Queens areas are Commercial Centers rather than Central Business District, even though there is an office tower in LIC it's not a CBD.
Well now you're getting into the realm of "Commercial Center" vs "Central Business District" and for the most part the Queens areas are Commercial Centers rather than Central Business District, even though there is an office tower in LIC it's not a CBD.
For Queens, Flushing is the CBD. Elmhurst/Rego Park would be the commercial center. Jamaica is the municipal center. LIC is a bedroom community for Midtown Manhattan.
Well now you're getting into the realm of "Commercial Center" vs "Central Business District" and for the most part the Queens areas are Commercial Centers rather than Central Business District, even though there is an office tower in LIC it's not a CBD.
For Queens, Flushing is the CBD. Elmhurst/Rego Park would be the commercial center. Jamaica is the municipal center. LIC is a bedroom community for Midtown Manhattan.
Flushing is definitely not the CBD of Queens. It's more like the Korean capital of NYC and second Chinese Capital of NYC. The municipal center is Kew Gardens/Jamaica because that's where the borough facilities are. There isn't a CBD in Queens, there are three main high density economic activity zones Flushing, LIC, Jamaica Center and a bunch of smaller ones
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