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Old 04-17-2018, 06:19 AM
 
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I've never been made to buy something at Starbucks. Some establishments will say they want you to buy something, so in that case I'll buy a tea or a coffee or anything just so I can use the bathroom.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I once went to one Starbucks in NYC where in order to get the bathroom code, you had to make a purchase. I had to buy my drink and have them hold it while I used the bathroom.

FWIW, I am a white male middle aged and was wearing a suit at the time.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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Yes I've been denied access to the bathroom when I am not a customer there.
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Old 04-17-2018, 06:59 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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I go to Le Pain Quotidien usually. I like to wash my hands before getting food so I will walk straight to the bathroom. I've never had a problem. Unfortunately people do prejudge and if someone asked I'd simply say I wanted to use the restroom before ordering.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:33 AM
 
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@NyWriterDude,

No one is asking anyone to come dressed in a suit to have coffee. But people need to cognizant of their own appearance because it's the first thing anyone sees. If someone sees that individual dressed a certain way, that person may immediately make negative assumptions of that person in a particular way. Same thing when Obama said: "Pull your pants up!"

No reason why certain people have their pants hanging half off. I understand they want to come off hardcore and have street cred, but that equals getting treated a certain way. Just like no one would ever show up to job interview in grey sweatpants, but believe it or not...it happens.

I received a call for a potential candidate the other day and the person greeted me on the phone with: YO! I answered and she replied: I'm looking for any part time positions open. OMG!!! If I knew you were a live person I wouldn't have greeted you on the phone with YO! I politely accepted her resume, but as soon as the hiring manager heard what happened....the resume got thrown in the garbage. People have to be really aware of their presentation and how it can make someone feel.

Obviously in the Trayvon Martin case, the alleged cop felt a certain way by seeing sweatpants and a hoody. Negative connotations.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Only when I've tried to use as a non-customer, but even this isn't universal. Note, I've found that there are few public bathrooms available here in Honolulu even for paying customers!
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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@NyWriterDude,

No one is asking anyone to come dressed in a suit to have coffee. But people need to cognizant of their own appearance because it's the first thing anyone sees. If someone sees that individual dressed a certain way, that person may immediately make negative assumptions of that person in a particular way. Same thing when Obama said: "Pull your pants up!"

No reason why certain people have their pants hanging half off. I understand they want to come off hardcore and have street cred, but that equals getting treated a certain way. Just like no one would ever show up to job interview in grey sweatpants, but believe it or not...it happens.

I received a call for a potential candidate the other day and the person greeted me on the phone with: YO! I answered and she replied: I'm looking for any part time positions open. OMG!!! If I knew you were a live person I wouldn't have greeted you on the phone with YO! I politely accepted her resume, but as soon as the hiring manager heard what happened....the resume got thrown in the garbage. People have to be really aware of their presentation and how it can make someone feel.

Obviously in the Trayvon Martin case, the alleged cop felt a certain way by seeing sweatpants and a hoody. Negative connotations.
No people don't need to be aware of their appearance. The manager got fired from his job, because what he did left Starbucks open to substantial litigation and open to boycott.

Appearance is a codeword of justifying bigotry. A Hasidic Jew could walk into a place and someone might not like him because he's bearded or dresses a certain way. That is no way justifies calling the police on him or treating him different. It's the same way if a Hindu or Muslim come into a store dressed according to how they dress in their cultural background. It's the same way of a Black man walks in with corn rows or dreds.

No one has to dress to the standards of what a white suburban mother wants for her son.

And you don't even know how these men are dressed, you are just making baseless speculation.

The manager of the store damaged Starbucks financially by calling the police and giving them negative news coverage, and Starbucks has potentially paid these men off/settled out of court.

It does not pay to be bigoted when you work in retail, and a retail employee CANNOT discriminate on customers based on appearance.

Retail stores can say anyone who uses the bathroom has to be a customer or they can say they don't have a public bathroom. But they can't treat customers differently for any reason, PERIOD.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:47 AM
 
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@NyWriterDude,

I received a call for a potential candidate the other day and the person greeted me on the phone with: YO! I answered and she replied: I'm looking for any part time positions open. OMG!!! If I knew you were a live person I wouldn't have greeted you on the phone with YO! I politely accepted her resume, but as soon as the hiring manager heard what happened....the resume got thrown in the garbage. People have to be really aware of their presentation and how it can make someone feel.
Actually people don't have to be aware of their presentation like that even on job interviews. I've known very tattooed people who work full time. Obviously not every employer is going to accept this, but there are a number that do.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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Even in terms of the language someone uses or how they speak, you do indeed have to be careful. Speech is tied to nationality/culture, etc.

For example, not hiring a person you can understand because of the way they speak could be construed as discrimination against that particular group.

There are lots of people who are never going to speak Midwestern suburban English...
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:06 AM
 
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@NyWriterDude,

The fact you noted language is important and one must be careful already says it all. It equals and translates to ones appearance and attire. They are inter-related.

Yes, that beard is a messy look and honestly makes me feel uncomfortable. Clean cut is very important. Yes. Tattoos are clearly an issue. I know a woman who has a huge tiger tattoo across her bosom. She's just thankful she has to wear a 2 piece suit cause she knows no one is going to deal with that.

Also, at one of my jobs, my coworker went on an internal interview dressed in sweats. After the interview, the hiring manager went to her current manager and said: I cant believe you sent a candidate dressed like that.

The following week, our staff meeting was dedicated to proper attire and etiquette. Sad part is, the person who wore sweats didn't even know she was the cause of topic. Just sad where certain people aren't educated about appearance and have to suffer it their whole life. Someone I know who is black always tells me she puts on her caucasian voice during phone interviews. I wonder why that is? Any insight?
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