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Old 10-03-2020, 10:59 AM
 
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It will get better when we have a mayor that knows what he's doing.
He doesn't even have to know what he's doing. He needs to get out of the way and keep his like-minded ideological friends out of the way of effective law enforcement.
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Old 10-03-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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This is only getting press because the victim is a celebrity. At least it is shedding some light on this Knock Out Game garbage. Too many sadistic teenagers and young men out there that think assault his hip. Seems to be a problem in NYC in '20. The Post published a list of many instances just this year. Too many victims that get no press nor justice because they are regular working stiffs.

Only a matter of time before this guy is caught but I wish the press cared just as much about the average citizens victimized by this heinous "game".
 
Old 10-03-2020, 11:22 AM
 
Location: western NY
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Oh, that's a given. Any time the race is not mentioned, it's usually either some dark latino type or a Black guy. In this case, the moment I saw the video all it took was a split second to know it was a black guy. Unfortunately, while most Blacks are decent citizens, these types of street crimes are overwhelmingly committed by Black males.

People really, really tend to hate it when I speak the truth on this since we are supposed to shut up in 2020 America and pretend that crime stats don't exist. But these are facts, just like in many European cities, the majority of street crime is committed by North Africans (just ask the French in Paris).

In NYC, not only is street crime up, but the fact is it will go completely unpunished and this guy will get NO bail.

They also sent a "Rapid response team" to the victim's home. If it were just some ordinary White guy, he'd get NO police interested in the case. NYPD really doesn't help victims and neither do politicians in NYC. NYPD's hands are tied now (but even before this mess, I never really saw NYPD officers truly interested in helping the average citizen).
Well stated.....
 
Old 10-03-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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Since Singapore and Tokyo are safe, then they should not need police. They still have them. Cities always have crime, that is a fact. The fine to throw chewing gum is $6,000? Well somebody had to have been throwing chewing gum around to make them set the fine. You want zero crime, you go off the grid. The ideology of "this city only has 1 murder last year so its safe" is a false narrative, somebody still lost their life to crime. Ppl delude themselves so bad its unreal out here.

The high fines for chewing gum were instituted after some "pranksters" decided to stick chewing gum on door sensors of the trains of the brand new skytrain/subway system which was severely disrupting the gigantic public transportation network of Singapore. So, it is not actually a $6k fine for an innocent lack of manners exemplified by chewing a gum, but for sabotage of public conveyances. Yes, somebody comitted that crime, but after some major loss of wages and some caning, that crime has not been committed any further in Singapore, showing that crime is not a function of city living, but a function for permissiveness for crime (in a human dwelling of any size, in a bunch of the 19th century frontier shacks in a makeshift one-horse town (very much off the grid :-), or in NYC). In Singapore, very few people lose their life to crime (and for those very few that do, it always involves people who know each other having a dispute in some private space, where the matter cannot possibly involve an innocent bystander).


I actually do agree that even one crime is too much, and the goal should be zero crime, anywhere, in a city of any size. I may have been actually the first person that said that on this forum. Singapore, with its 5.6+ million population and its intense law enforcement, is pretty darn close to that goal. NYC right now is rapidly moving away from that goal, since apparently the city government does not consider it a goal.
 
Old 10-03-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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You have societies on this planet with virtually no crime.

Then you have American society, that had primetime shows like "COPS" & "America's Most Wanted"

The United States of America, if you guys remember, were the original 13 colonies of England. This country was literally built to make money, and thats it. So America makes money off of crime too. Things will get better eventually.



If you consider money a form of barter in a mutually supporting and mutually competing group (where every individual is naturally trying to maximize his/her own resources), then every human society and a variety of animal societies have been literally built to make some eqivalent of money. But all societies on this planet that have virtually no crime are the societies where punishments for crime are high enough to deter crime.


Speaking of Singapore, it was indeed also built by the English, and it was built as a trading port - so, with a very clear purpose to make money. So? If anything, their strict law enforcement ensures that the money is being made in orderly lawful ways, and in safe pleasant surroundings.


Btw, Singapore is very diverse. The Chinese population is dominant, but Tamil Indian and Malayan populations (that are both very dark skinned) are quite large as well, and Westerners are numerous as well, though they mostly tend to be non-permanent. The genetic mixture of the Chinese and Malays is also very prevalent, actually probably the second most numerous population after the Chinese. Plus millions of tourists from everywhere. But the city is safer than safe, at all times of day and night.

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Old 10-03-2020, 11:56 AM
 
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The high fines for chewing gum were instituted after some "pranksters" decided to stick chewing gum on door sensors of the trains of the brand new skytrain/subway system which was severely disrupting the gigantic public transportation network of Singapore. So, it is not actually a $6k fine for an innocent lack of manners exemplified by chewing a gum, but for sabotage of public conveyances. Yes, somebody comitted that crime, but after some major loss of wages and some caning, that crime has not been committed any further in Singapore, showing that crime is not a function of city living, but a function for permissiveness for crime (in a human dwelling of any size, in a bunch of the 19th century frontier shacks in a makeshift one-horse town (very much off the grid :-), or in NYC). In Singapore, very few people lose their life to crime (and for those very few that do, it always involves people who know each other having a dispute in some private space, where the matter cannot possibly involve an innocent bystander).


I actually do agree that even one crime is too much, and the goal should be zero crime, anywhere, in a city of any size. I may have been actually the first person that said that on this forum. Singapore, with its 5.6+ million population and its intense law enforcement, is pretty darn close to that goal. NYC right now is rapidly moving away from that goal, since apparently the city government does not consider it a goal.
It's actually very easy to accomplish no crime, but the way American society is set up currently, nahh....
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Old 10-03-2020, 11:58 AM
 
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If you consider money a form of barter in a mutually supporting and mutually competing group (where every individual is naturally trying to maximize his/her own resources), then every human society and a variety of animal societies have been literally built to make some eqivalent of money. But all societies on this planet that have virtually no crime are the societies where punishments for crime are high enough to deter crime.


Speaking of Singapore, it was indeed also built by the English, and it was built as a trading port - so, with a very clear purpose to make money. So? If anything, their strict law enforcement ensurase that the money is being made in orderly lawful ways, and in safe pleasant surroundings.


Btw, Singapore is very diverse. The Chinese population is dominant, but Tamil Indian and Malayan populations (that are both very dark skinned) are quite large as well, and Westerners are numerous as well, though they mostly tend to be non-permanent. Plus millions of tourists from everywhere. But the city is safer than safe, at all times of day and night.
Well this magnifies my previous post, stating that, remember, we were originally the 13 colonies of England. USA = Money, that's it. So even crime makes money here. That is the difference in culture. Shocking, right...
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Old 10-03-2020, 12:01 PM
 
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It's actually very easy to accomplish no crime, but the way American society is set up currently, nahh....

The way American society is set up currently presents no problem to the majority of Americans who live normally within the bounds of law and order - so crime is obviously not the result of how American society is set up, but the result of a part of the population deciding to become criminals (because they can get away with it, ie, because those like you do not hold the criminals accountable for their crimes, but blame the crime on "American society"... even though the vast majority of that society commits no crimes at all).

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Old 10-03-2020, 12:10 PM
 
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Well this magnifies my previous post, stating that, remember, we were originally the 13 colonies of England. USA = Money, that's it. So even crime makes money here. That is the difference in culture. Shocking, right...

No, nothing I said magnifies your argument that England had set up the USA for making money, and therefore even crime makes money here. I pointed out that England had set up Singapore also for making money (and even much more so than the USA, which was actually also set up for people who wanted to escape religious persecution... no such thing in Singapore, a city-state which was actually set up expressly and solely for making money) - yet, crime does not make money in Singapore, it makes the basis for caning and capital punishment (with the result that crime is nearly completely extinct in Singapore).
 
Old 10-03-2020, 12:12 PM
 
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The way American society is set up currently presents no problem to the majority of Americans who live normally within the bounds of law and order - so crime is obviously not the result of how American society is set up, but the result of a part of the population deciding to become criminals (because they can get away with it, ie, because those like you do not hold the criminals accountable for their crimes, but blame the crime on "American society"... even though the vast majority of that society commits no crimes at all).
You still don't get the way this country operates.
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