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The average tenure at NYCHA is 24.7 years as of 2022. In 2019 it was 23 years. Only 23% of NYCHA residents are 62 or older.
NYCHA was supposed to be a stepping stone for residents. Rent in the projects until you can afford to rent in a private apartment building or buy a house. I moved to S.I. about 30 years ago. A few of my neighbors were the original homeowners, buying their 1-family houses when new in 1960-62. And at least two of those original homeowners had previously lived in the projects in Manhattan or in the Berry Homes on Staten Island. They worked hard, saved their money for a down payment, then bought a house. In fact I've met quite a few homeowning Staten Islanders who started out on S.I. in the Berry Homes.
There are plenty of things that the NYC administration doesn't fix and we have one of the largest per capita budgets of any city in the US.
You're deflecting. NYC and NYS has zero examples of broken critical infrastructure that impacts the entire city.
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The city taxpayers subsidize NYCHA to the tune of $6 billion per year. Giuliani and Bloomberg kept the status quo so they did do something for it. They continued the gravy train.
The welfare entitlement is so strong in NYC that people like you believe that having taxpayers heavily subsidize rent for the vast majority of people in NYCHA who are perfectly capable human beings is normal.
NYC has over 8 million people and you constantly dog whistle about welfare entitlement. There is no way NYC can be a global powerhouse if the population was overrun by welfare recipients. There is a simple correlation at play - cities/states with high costs of living spend more on welfare.
NYCHA's operating budget for 2020 was $3.7B. Where are you getting $6B from?
There is not a housing expert worth their pedigree that says NYCHA is properly funded. But NYC/NYS pols have better things to do than to help poor people. Heck, the state has allocated $9.5B for another terminal at JFK (almost 3x the 2020 NYCHA budget). Does anyone really believe JFK needs another terminal?
Furthermore NYCHA is so poorly run, that a federal monitor was brought in (2019, I believe) to improve operations. But in your mind, people who live with lead exposure, lack of gas in the winter for heat, lack of electricity in the summer for cooling do not require substantial public investment.
Adams and the Health Commissioner drinking the water to prove it's safe is the same dog-and-pony show that Obama performed in Flint. Obama left, and to this day, the people in Flint are still suffering from lack of clean water. You're purposely being blind if you don't see a pattern at work stretching from NY to CA.
i'm FOR getting rid of NYCHA, but they gotta find housing for those folks or give em a package to set em up somewhere else
the city spends at minimum $30K, per year, per family to maintain the welfare class. Many who will stay in this class of society for generations. I say we make education and healthcare free for everyone, no matter the income. And do away with paying a certain segment of the society to simply exist.
Low income housing should ONLY be for the truly disabled or elderly. If you have time and energy to bust it low and wide to have kids you can get a job.
The money would be better spent giving one time grants so these people can buy houses. Atleast they would likely have pride of ownership and have some type of equity to pass on to future generations.
People appreciate more the things they have a financial stake in.
NYCHA is by far the biggest slumlord in the city with the most violations per building. Partly because unlike private landlords, NYCHA doesn't care about violations that result in any kind of monetary fines. They only fix things when there is potential criminal liability or are so egregious that they violate even federal law.
They should leave the elderly in NYCHA if they want and give Section 8 type vouchers to the rest. Slowly privatize and sell off NYCHA buildings to developers as they empty out, with a stipulation that if they build new projects on the land, they have to restore the street grid, and not continue NYCHA tower-in-the-park planning. That will also fix some of the dead-end streets in the middle of the city.
They have been trying the section 8 voucher and other forms of housing vouchers for a long time. The residents with these vouchers are not ideal. They bring the mindset of 'project living' to private housing. For this reason it is hard for them to find landlords.
the city spends at minimum $30K, per year, per family to maintain the welfare class. Many who will stay in this class of society for generations. I say we make education and healthcare free for everyone, no matter the income. And do away with paying a certain segment of the society to simply exist.
Low income housing should ONLY be for the truly disabled or elderly. If you have time and energy to bust it low and wide to have kids you can get a job.
The money would be better spent giving one time grants so these people can buy houses. Atleast they would likely have pride of ownership and have some type of equity to pass on to future generations.
People appreciate more the things they have a financial stake in.
Free healthcare and education? This reads like socialist talk. But then you flip and say we should stop helping the poorest families. If you stop helping poor families, wouldn't that increase homelessness and crime? Kind of like what we're seeing unfold in real-time across the country? Make it make sense. Now home ownership is the key to family stable and owning equity that creates generational wealth.
Free healthcare and education? This reads like socialist talk. But then you flip and say we should stop helping the poorest families. If you stop helping poor families, wouldn't that increase homelessness and crime? Kind of like what we're seeing unfold in real-time across the country? Make it make sense. Now home ownership is the key to family stable and owning equity that creates generational wealth.
Conveniently leaving out that NYC is THE highest COL city in the US. Why are people who can't afford to live here, living here? En masse?
It's like someone spending 80% of their income on a Lamborghini and crying broke. Would you help them make their car payment?
I have no issues with temporary aid. Life happens and everyone experiences temporary setbacks. However, what we have in NYC is an entire welfare state with people in the system for decades or people building their lives around welfare programs. Do you think this is healthy in any sense?
Conveniently leaving out that NYC is THE highest COL city in the US. Why are people who can't afford to live here, living here? En masse?
It's like someone spending 80% of their income on a Lamborghini and crying broke. Would you help them make their car payment?
I have no issues with temporary aid. Life happens and everyone experiences temporary setbacks. However, what we have in NYC is an entire welfare state with people in the system for decades or people building their lives around welfare programs. Do you think this is healthy in any sense?
I'm not on here too often. But one trend I notice is how consistently WRONG you are. NYC does not have the highest COL in the U.S. It's not even ranked 1 or 2. I can think of at least 2 cities - Honolulu and LA - that are higher than NYC b/c people earn less with the same (if not higher) price levels we see here. And what do you know? Poor people live in those cities too.
So when you immigrated here, why did you settle in one of the most expensive cities in America? Because there were free programs in NYC to get you on your feet, right? You're not born here to understand the systemic issues that keep people impoverished. Heck, you don't even understand how welfare works and that TANF applies to single women with children. Not men. And you have to work to continue receiving benefits. Even NYCHA is subsidized - not free - housing where people have to work and earn enough to pay their rents...despite all of the environmental issues that people face.
Why are people who can't afford to live here living here...en masse? Because this is their home where they have generational ties. You cannot understand a devotion to your home because you left your country and the people in it behind. Since you like to look down on other human beings that you don't know, why haven't you gone back to your country and help build it up? I think you going back to your place of birth and building it into a place where people want to stay is, dare I say, a healthy solution to your infatuation with welfare in NYC.
I'm not on here too often. But one trend I notice is how consistently WRONG you are. NYC does not have the highest COL in the U.S. It's not even ranked 1 or 2. I can think of at least 2 cities - Honolulu and LA - that are higher than NYC b/c people earn less with the same (if not higher) price levels we see here. And what do you know? Poor people live in those cities too.
So when you immigrated here, why did you settle in one of the most expensive cities in America? Because there were free programs in NYC to get you on your feet, right? You're not born here to understand the systemic issues that keep people impoverished. Heck, you don't even understand how welfare works and that TANF applies to single women with children. Not men. And you have to work to continue receiving benefits. Even NYCHA is subsidized - not free - housing where people have to work and earn enough to pay their rents...despite all of the environmental issues that people face.
Why are people who can't afford to live here living here...en masse? Because this is their home where they have generational ties. You cannot understand a devotion to your home because you left your country and the people in it behind. Since you like to look down on other human beings that you don't know, why haven't you gone back to your country and help build it up? I think you going back to your place of birth and building it into a place where people want to stay is, dare I say, a healthy solution to your infatuation with welfare in NYC.
Let's say NYC isn't #1 COL but is #3. How does that change my argument? There are a number of ways to measure COL and since NYCs main COL driver is housing and taxes (for those that actually work and don't qualify for welfare ), some may measure other cities as a higher COL (although it isn't reality).
Furthermore, you chose to ignore my key distinction that welfare in a d of itself isn't the problem. It's welfare becoming institutionalized a d a part of may people's lives for decades.
NYCHA isn't welfare? Just be auwe it isn't free doesn't mean it's not welfare. Subsidies are also welfare. Another case of NYCs welfare mentality. "If it's not completely free, then it ain't welfare".
You still didn't present an argument for why people who aren't disabled or elderly are entitled to various kinds of welfare programs for decades on end?
As for my family and I, we didn't come to NYC to live on welfare. My father got a job at minimum wage ($4/hour) a week after we arrived (roofing). My parents have a paid off house in BK and put 2 kids through college (without loans). My brother and I now have decent jobs and pay far more into the system than we take out. That's how it's supposed to work.
What's the excuse for people who were born here and only bleed the system dry?
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