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This only works if the wage is sufficient enough to make them ineligible for welfare programs. If their wage is boosted and they're still eligible for welfare programs, it simply just another redistribution (aka welfare) program.
most on lower incomes will get subsidized health insurance at the least which can be very costly if one has to pay for their own .
seniors can qualify for for scrie and never see another rent increase if they qualify .
there are also reduced utility costs and quite a bit more which one can get if they qualify .
very few who are lower incomes actually live on those incomes.
under certain income levels medication that just cost me 500 dollars with insurance is 25 bucks under manufacturer programs.
if one was eligible for all the welfare benefits they could get in our state it would take an earned income of 41,251 to equal that.
Using a narrower definition excluding everything but TANF, SNAP and Medicaid, the value of the basic welfare package was estimated at $24,007,
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most on lower incomes will get subsidized health insurance at the least which can be very costly if one has to pay for their own .
seniors can qualify for for scrie and never see another rent increase if they qualify .
there are also reduced utility costs and quite a bit more which one can get if they qualify .
very few who are lower incomes actually live on those incomes.
under certain income levels medication that just cost me 500 dollars with insurance is 25 bucks under manufacturer programs.
if one was eligible for all the welfare benefits they could get in our state it would take an earned income of 41,251 to equal that.
Using a narrower definition excluding everything but TANF, SNAP and Medicaid, the value of the basic welfare package was estimated at $24,007,
There was a study done sometime in the mid 2010's. The average value of welfare in NYC (including housing subsidies) was valued at somewhere around $60K.
There was a study done sometime in the mid 2010's. The average value of welfare in NYC (including housing subsidies) was valued at somewhere around $60K.
a more recent one now shows less
the CATO study is the most recent and does not include section 8
most would never see that 60k in benefits as few get all of them
Sad really. Base your life on money versus life experiences. To each their own.
not at all but i know what it cost us to live.. i know we would never have anything but a stress filled life on that amount if it was even a do at all .
we certainly couldn’t live where we do in queens.
7k of that would just go for medicare , our supplement and drug plan and copays right off the bat .
24k for rent
no taxes insurance ,utilities , food or anything else in life.
great life, maybe for you , but i doubt many here will agree it would be a great life for them
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not at all but i know what it cost us to live.. i know we would never have anything but a stress filled life on that amount if it was even a do at all .
we certainly couldn’t live where we do in queens.
7k of that would just go for medicare , our supplement and drug plan and copays right off the bat .
24k for rent
no taxes insurance ,utilities , food or anything else in life.
great life, maybe for you , but i doubt many here will agree it would be a great life for them
Not everyone has family connections and gigantic friend bases to guide them, protect, and carry them easily through life like you.
Some people have zero business weighing in on minimum wage jobs in New York City and they certainly have limited ability to relate to being outcompeted for minimum wage work in NYC stolen by illegals. You can harp and kick and scream and tell everyone how many people you know but you seriously cannot relate to the truth of todays NYC.
The illegals are stealing work from people who are “below” you. Too many New Yorkers are this way, they were carried by friends and family, and, pampered, really is how that is. Yet they kick and scream and say they worked hard for everything. But the truth is the illegals are stealing everything from us, you just lucked out and got yours before the invasion.
Thanks but no thanks for your hardcore, outdated NYC advice.
pay them the $18 a hour. people need to make a livable wage
Then they just become full time employees. They'd have to work full time and wouldn't be able to choose their routes or days off.
I think most people who work for these apps like the flexibility and use it as a side hustle. Only a minority would want to work like that full time as a primary source of income.
I personally do not care since it doesn't affect me, but I think people should have the option to make an extra buck outside of their work if they want to.
Not everyone has family connections and gigantic friend bases to guide them, protect, and carry them easily through life like you.
Some people have zero business weighing in on minimum wage jobs in New York City and they certainly have limited ability to relate to being outcompeted for minimum wage work in NYC stolen by illegals. You can harp and kick and scream and tell everyone how many people you know but you seriously cannot relate to the truth of todays NYC.
The illegals are stealing work from people who are “below” you. Too many New Yorkers are this way, they were carried by friends and family, and, pampered, really is how that is. Yet they kick and scream and say they worked hard for everything. But the truth is the illegals are stealing everything from us, you just lucked out and got yours before the invasion.
Thanks but no thanks for your hardcore, outdated NYC advice.
i went easily thru life ?
i busted my hump for everything i have
i made it a priority in life never to raise my own family in a project or to ever go back
So true. They talk about "jobs Americans won't do" but American kids were doing these jobs for decades before mostly Hispanic illegal aliens came by the hundreds of thousands to NYC/LI starting in the late mid 90s. Every teenager I new growing up in the 80s had a part time job at places like McDonalds or a local deli/bagel store to help put some money in their pocket during high school/college, including myself. In fact it was almost embarrasing to see a person in their late 20's, 30's, 40s or 50s working these types of jobs unless they were part of a 2nd job (single mom) or a retiree. Nowadays every deli in Queens has Hispanics working in them full time as their "career." Folks that are raising kids and paying rent. Totally unskilled and mostly uneducated foreigners. Even the deli my friend and I worked in until end of college is now all Hispanic s who do it as a full time job.
Notice you never hear the term "entry level" jobs anymore at these places. The far left liberal scum of this city and others like them expect small biz owners to pay living wages to grown ass adults to flip burgers and make ham sandwiches while we the customers pay out the nose.
Who works at McDonalds while the kids are in school? I guess back in the day all the McDonalds used to close from 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM
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I'm sick of the City trying to turn low-skilled, low-wage jobs into "livable wage jobs". These jobs have always supplemented peoples' incomes. They were never meant to be jobs to feed families and now that NYC has eliminated middle class manufacturing jobs, they are trying to turn low wage service jobs into "high-paying jobs" (high-paying compared to the skillset). It's not sustainable. The business model that Uber, DoorDash, etc. have pays people as independent contractors and NYC is trying to make it so that these people are paid almost like employees. The business model doesn't work that way because the cost of the service becomes too expensive to justify using it. I mean what are they going to raise the prices to?
As it stands now, just a regular pizza with tip costs easily $25 - 30. At some point, you have prices that just become too high. Is someone going to pay $40 - 50 for a pizza with tip? I don't think so, and that's the issue here, so while they may think that they're getting higher wages, fewer people will order because the prices will be too high.
Now? The nail in the coffin for NYC and manufacturing was the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, look up how long ago that was...
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