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These bills have passed are are heading to the Governor. While Abortion is the biggest issue addressed, I found the jail RX Co-Pay interesting. I have not read any of these but my concern with the copay is that it sounds kind of high at $10 except for brand name drugs. I assume if the actual cost is lower than $10 they won't have to pay it. Although, of the V.A. it's always the same amount regardless of cost. I assume if the prisoner is indigent the state will pay.
The drug testing is for Work First recipients but not all of them. Most of the wordiness in the title of the bill is for direction of social services to do background checks to make sure the recipient is not a fleeing felon. I didn't realize that was a huge problem.
I know must of the talk will be about abortion and that links may have already been provided. But I thought I'd highlight these and provide links in case buried in another thread.
Oh. And motorcycles.
SB 353
AN ACT TO MODIFY CERTAIN LAWS PERTAINING TO ABORTION, TO LIMIT ABORTION COVERAGE UNDER HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS OFFERED UNDER A HEALTH BENEFIT EXCHANGE OPERATING IN NORTH CAROLINA OR OFFERED BY A COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY, TO PROHIBIT A PERSON FROM PERFORMING OR ATTEMPTING TO PERFORM AN ABORTION WHEN THE SEX OF THE UNBORN CHILD IS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN SEEKING THE ABORTION, TO DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TO AMEND RULES AND CONDUCT A STUDY PERTAINING TO CLINICS CERTIFIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TO BE SUITABLE FACILITIES FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF ABORTIONS, TO AMEND THE WOMEN'S RIGHT TO KNOW ACT, AND TO INCREASE PENALTIES FOR UNSAFE MOVEMENTS BY DRIVERS THAT THREATEN THE PROPERTY AND SAFETY OF MOTORCYCLISTS.
SB 368
AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR A TEN‑DOLLAR CO‑PAY FOR PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION DISPENSED IN A COUNTY JAIL, TO PROVIDE THE PISTOL PERMIT FEE TO BE AN APPLICATION FEE, AND TO MAKE IT A FELONY TO ESCAPE FROM A COUNTY FACILITY WHEN CHARGED WITH AND BEING HELD FOR A FELONY.
HB 392
AN ACT REQUIRING A COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES (DSS) TO VERIFY WHETHER AN APPLICANT FOR OR RECIPIENT OF TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE FOR NEEDY FAMILIES (TANF) BENEFITS OR FOOD AND NUTRITION SERVICES (FNS) BENEFITS IS A FLEEING FELON OR A PROBATION OR PAROLE VIOLATOR, TO DIRECT INTERAGENCY COOPERATION AND INFORMATION SHARING IN ORDER TO VERIFY THE ELIGIBILITY STATUS OF AN APPLICANT OR RECIPIENT, TO DENY TANF OR FNS BENEFITS TO AN APPLICANT OR RECIPIENT WHO IS A FLEEING FELON OR A PROBATION OR PAROLE VIOLATOR, AND TO REQUIRE DRUG SCREENING AND TESTING FOR CERTAIN APPLICANTS AND RECIPIENTS OF WORK FIRST PROGRAM ASSISTANCE.
TANF= foodstamps. Work First = "welfare" cash assistance.
Are you against making clinics safer? Or is this all about choice including saw dust on the floor and no electricity?
Oh yeah, saw dust on the floor and no electricity, good one! This law is no different from what they are proposing in Texas under the guise of looking out for women's health and safety when the true intent is to make the upgrades and guidelines impossible for these clinics to remain open long-term!
I haven't heard or seen any news reports about problems due to unsafe abortion clinics--have you? Seems this is, like the voter ID bill, just another attempt to "fix" something that's not broken.
Have they really done anything to fix an actual problem?
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I haven't heard or seen any news reports about problems due to unsafe abortion clinics--have you? Seems this is, like the voter ID bill, just another attempt to "fix" something that's not broken.
Ever hear of Kermit Gosnell's house of horrors in PA? Do you think that clinics that provide major medical surgery shouldn't be regulated at all?
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Oh yeah, saw dust on the floor and no electricity, good one! This law is no different from what they are proposing in Texas under the guise of looking out for women's health and safety when the true intent is to make the upgrades and guidelines impossible for these clinics to remain open long-term!
I hear George Soros via ProgressNC has a few billion, maybe he can help with the upgrades.
Ever hear of Kermit Gosnell's house of horrors in PA?
Do you think that clinics...
Explore for a minute WHY a facility like that existed at all.
Consider if ANYONE wants such to be there.
Safe... Legal... Rare... Prompt... Free
Rare by means of far better education and use of contraception than we have today.
Aside from the million conceptions lamented so thoroughly in this thread...
there are probably another million similarly ill considered conceptions to be avoided... that aren't.
Prompt because once the diligent, educated try to avoid conception line has been crossed...
and the choice to exercise the right has been made... NO ONE gains from delay.
Free because dealing with the costs are the single largest hindrance to prompt...
(and it's the best use of public funds even if/when available HI might pay something)
The right to make a choice without the ability to exercise it... isn't much of a choice at all.
(which has been the strategy they have been attempting to implement since Hyde)
Explore for a minute WHY a facility like that existed at all.
Consider if ANYONE wants such to be there.
Because state inspectors hadn't been there in 17 years. Is that acceptable for an NC clinic this new law affects? When should an inspection of an abortion facility be allowed?
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Safe... Legal... Rare... Prompt... Free
You've got 3 out of 5. Safe for the most part if done in a sanitary facility; legal because of Roe V. Wade; rare not so much (3 million of something a year is not rare); prompt (I guess); free, definitely not because I pay for it and so do you.
rare not so much (3 million of something a year is not rare);
Nope. Get informed.
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prompt (I guess);
Guess? Nope; not prompt.
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free, definitely not because I pay for it and so do you.
Nope yet again. We pay at least 5-50X as much as we need to.
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Beyond the food, clothing and similar home expenses involved, the professional level of prenatal
care alone is about $2000; the actual (uncomplicated) birth an easily be another $5000.
Who pays for this? Who pays for the next 18-20 years of dependent minor needs?
The wealthy have options and have always had choice. ALWAYS.
The poor don't. If the far more important goal of PROMPT is to happen...
then no one benefits by making an issue over a few hundred in facility fees.
Besides, most of those who NEED it free will qualify for assistance anyway.
In fifteen states, the costs are a complete non-issue. The rest need to step up.
But being free still isn't enough if the facility and staff isn't there.
The right to make a choice without the ability to exercise it... isn't much of a choice at all.
(which has been the strategy they have been attempting to implement since Hyde)
All of which is still just background noise to disguise the actual underlying problem.
That's right... the abortion is only a symptom of the problem.
Aside from the million conceptions lamented so thoroughly in this thread...
there are probably another million similarly ill considered conceptions to be avoided... that aren't.
If you are genuinely opposed to abortion... work to prevent the conception.
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Why didn't the law include having wardens carry larger Billy Clubs and at will use of Tasers?
What a waste of time....
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