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Its bizarre because no one raise claim of discrimination or just the lack of mention and no boycotts or demostrations when the Governor signed an executive order back in 2014 that almost mirrors that portion of HB2. It states
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State of North Carolina is committed to providing equal employment opportunities to all employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, religion, color, national origin, sex, age, disability, genetic information;
Its bizarre because no one raise claim of discrimination or just the lack of mention and no boycotts or demostrations when the Governor signed an executive order back in 2014 that almost mirrors that portion of HB2. It states https://governor.nc.gov/document/exe...pportunity-eeo
A bill providing for equal opportunity in hiring isn't the same as one that prohibits court cases where people feel they've not gotten protection under the previous law. It also isn't the same as a bill that won't allow local governments to set a minimum wage that's different than the federal minimum wage.
The "bathroom" part of this bill was the part they knew would draw fire. The rest is the part that's so incredibly hurtful to everyone in this state. Except white men, of course.
Well, maybe that minimum wage bit if they're working minimum wage jobs.
The bathroom stuff was, in my opinion, smoke and mirrors to distract from the rest of the bill.
Nobody is policing bathrooms with any sort of authority and people are likely all still taking a leak in the same bathrooms they used before this bill.
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THAT'S DISCRIMINATORY! especially since it was proposed and passed specifically t address Charlotte's NDO! Don't be obtuse.
They should not make special mention to LGBT, because that would discriminate against heterosexual people. As the law is worded now, it covers everyone under an anti-discrimination policy.
They should not make special mention to LGBT, because that would discriminate against heterosexual people. As the law is worded now, it covers everyone under an anti-discrimination policy.
A bill providing for equal opportunity in hiring isn't the same as one that prohibits court cases where people feel they've not gotten protection under the previous law. It also isn't the same as a bill that won't allow local governments to set a minimum wage that's different than the federal minimum wage.
The "bathroom" part of this bill was the part they knew would draw fire. The rest is the part that's so incredibly hurtful to everyone in this state. Except white men, of course.
Well, maybe that minimum wage bit if they're working minimum wage jobs.
The bathroom stuff was, in my opinion, smoke and mirrors to distract from the rest of the bill.
Nobody is policing bathrooms with any sort of authority and people are likely all still taking a leak in the same bathrooms they used before this bill.
It was in response to the post a couple above mine throughout this thread and others stating LGB was left out of equal protections in regards to jobs. LGB never had protection, this link I gave above showed Governor McCrory had proven same values back in 2014.
IN North Carolina wages, labor, hours, breaks, overtime, working conditions are set by the state and not municipalities. It is a minimum wage, not a maximum. Buisness cannot pay below the state minimum but can go over as they see fit.
If someone is working a job that only pay minimum wage then they are either happy with that, lack skill or experience, two things companies award for.
Also, companies pay more than minimum wage to stay competitive and retain their workforce.
I talked to a manager of a Walmart the other day who manages in a small town of population of 6,000 that is over an hour from a major city how much starting pay is.
He stated someone who pushes carts start out at $10 an hour. I'm sorry but that is insane for a buggy navigation specialist.
My point is a company that works in various cities in this state need a uniform format on how to conduct business and when municipalities overstep the standards of the state it causes confusion.
The NCGA already had bills on clarifying minimum wage and nondiscrimination last September but neither made it to the floor. Probably was in preparation when Charlotte tried to pass this go to the restroom how you feel failed the first go round and I knew after A1 failed some type of legislation was coming so I'm not surprised but IMO this bill isn't as bad as it could have been nor did it take any rights away except as you mention by passing the state courts.
This one I'm really not sure about as I think it goes against the framework of the court system but part of me agree with it since it involves constitutional matters.
However, I do think it should go through the state courts systems, Circuit, Appeals and State Supreme Courts.
This bathroom issue is an issue I agree with and so does my partner who I asked his opinion how he felt before I started sharing my opinion.
Also, a lot of North Carolinians agree with it and think its insane of sharing a toilet with whoever.
It lacks decency, values, and privacy what Charlotte proposed.
I read earlier Berger isn't going to change anything hopefully Capital tonight will divulge more but HB2 no matter how one stands gotta give Republicans credit as social issues are always a great way to drum up the voters as I can't see anyone supporting with enthusiasm the National ticket.
I also see what this and other bills are doing in frightening the Democrats from relocating here like voter ID restrictions and all the hidden gems in that bill, abolish film credits. Food stamp restriction.
I bet they will even introduce some small form of Medicaid the upcoming short session.
My last point is all the issues in HB2 is so that all citizens of North Carolina have the same rights or lack of in all 100 counties and 522 municipalities. This is why I have no issue with this bill as all North Carolinians should be treated equally or not mentioned .
It would be different if bill stated LGB can't do something and T can use a bathroom not like they are being forced to use a tree, hopefully more business will have 'Family' restrooms but shouldn't be forced to or force in a coed like the Charlotte ordinance did.
The Charlotte ordinance didn't force anyone to have a "family" or "coed" bathroom. It simply said if you're providing bathroom access, you can't discriminate based on gender identity or expression. It codified WHAT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING. HB2 said: if you're transgender you won't be offered basic courtesies until you change your birth certificate.
I've read that up to 40%+ of transgender people will attempt suicide. Do you think the attempt rate is so staggeringly high because the status quo is "working"? I have children, including a young daughter. They are all too young to have a "sexual identity", but when they do I want them to feel SAFE and ACCEPTED no matter what it is.
So THIS is what our fine, upstanding legislators are spending their time on??? Bathroom bills?? I am completely disgusted by these hate-mongering, big government, so-called Christian, men and women who are presenting and voting on bills of this type. I'm not transgender but I promise you, the day I have to show ID to pee is the day they have to put me in jail.
.....and if a few people in Charlotte hadn't pushed through a dumb law, there wouldn't have been HB2.
Again what businesses were not coming here prior to the Charlotte ordinance? NONE.
Nice way to twist around the facts. The businesses clearly agree more with Charlotte on this than the NC Legislature. Maybe Charlotte's ordinance shone a light to some of these companies just how backwards this legislature is willing to go to extend their overreach into municipalities' business, something that the companies didn't know before, but they clearly are on the side on the Charlotte law, not HB2.
And, it not just Charlotte whose law is now overturned, but EVERY town or municipality in the state that used to have broader nondiscrimination policies than state law--plus any future ones who were planning to. It's THAT environment that turns off the forward-thinking kinds of companies who are driving the economy in this state, not Junie's Hair Salon in Gastonia or whoever signed that petition in favor of HB2.
They should not make special mention to LGBT, because that would discriminate against heterosexual people. As the law is worded now, it covers everyone under an anti-discrimination policy.
Completely false. that's like saying offering protections for women discriminates against men.
That's saying offering protections for racial minorities discriminates against whites.
Or maybe you DO think those things mean that.
(BTW I am a white male and I know how absurd these statements, as well as the one you made, are).
None of these mean a person cannot be fired if they are (gay, black, female). Just that they cannot be fired solely because they are gay/black/female/Jewish/disabled/Christian/etc.
Anyway, all of this has been effectively neutralized because our "quote unquote small government" legislature has now blocked the right of any city or town to come up with their own nondiscrimination policies AND blocked the rights of anybody who is in a (Federally) protected class to sue in state court for it. This, in fact, is the danger of HB2 inside the Trojan Horse called "bathroom sensationalism".
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