[swake]

Tulsa Unitarian church hosts engagement party for same-sex couples

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/...a4bcf6878.html

[linicx]

The state wasted taxpayer money in a war that cannot be won.

The gathering came as a result of a recent ruling by a federal judge that struck down Oklahoma's ban on same-sex marriage. Oklahoma does not have to bless it, or participate, but it must agree. Oklahoma may NOT treat gay couples married in other states differently regarding government benefits. This will ultimately affect many areas other than the civil rite called marriage. The state cannot treat Steve & Stephen any differently than Laurence & Laura. It's the law.

Originally Posted by swake

Tulsa Unitarian church hosts engagement party for same-sex couples

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/...a4bcf6878.html

[tkx7]

Banning one gender from marrying another of the same gender to receive government benefits is discrimination in its purest form. If you don't agree then how about banning interracial couples, disabled couples or couples with different religions? That would be no different at all under the US constitution.

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by tkx7

Banning one gender from marrying another of the same gender to receive government benefits is discrimination in its purest form. If you don't agree then how about banning interracial couples, disabled couples or couples with different religions? That would be no different at all under the US constitution.

True. And well spoken.

There is not one single reason to be offended or disgusted by homosexuality, or to oppose same sex marriage, that does not arise from bigotry, fear, hate, ignorance, or some combination of those things.

Not one.

Precluding consenting adult couples from marrying based solely on their gender is the very definition of bigotry and discrimination.

[Griffis]

Originally Posted by johnspecial

...people who are against gay marriage may also be thinking about moving here. Please be open minded and tolerant to their beliefs as well.

People can have whatever beliefs they wish. This is a free country. But you are essentially asking for people to be tolerant of intolerance. That's nonsense.

It doesn't mean I would be picking up a pitchfork and torch to storm the homes of people who are against same sex marriage, but being against same sex marriage is itself a sign of bigotry and intolerance.

The most appropriate response to bigotry is to be bigoted against it. The most appropriate response to intolerance is to be intolerant of it.

Again, there is not one single reason to be offended or disgusted by homosexuality, or to oppose same sex marriage, that doesn't arise from hate, fear, ignorance, bigotry, or some combination thereof.

Not one single reason.

To preclude consenting adult couples from marrying based solely on their gender is the very definition of bigotry and discrimination.

[OKCtoDFW2016]

Trying to argue this is a complete waste of time for both sides. Tolerance, when it comes to the LGBT community does not and cannot go "both ways" like some try to say it should. Let me explain why.

Conservative viewpoint: Homosexuality is an abomination and intolerable. They cannot tolerate the intolerable. They try to point out hypocrisy in liberals because they refuse to show conservative Christians the same tolerance they show the LGBT community.

Liberal viewpoint: Conservative Christians are full of hate and intolerance. They cannot tolerate intolerance. They try to point out hypocrisy in conservatives because they preach smaller government yet want to force their religious values on the masses

Neither side can tolerate each other without violating their own conscience. For the conservatives to tolerate homosexuality would be sinning against God. For liberals to tolerate conservative Christianity would be to endorse hate, both going against their deeply held belief systems.

The best option is to simply live and let live, on both sides. Gay? so what? Christian and you think gay is sin? So what? Arguing this will go round and round to no end.

[okie1962]

Originally Posted by Dale Cooper

In all honesty, I don't get it, either. So may posts about gaydom, so few really care about gaydom.

I seriously wish this board had a gay forum. Shoving it in people's faces isn't endearing and gets ZERO sympathy from me. Can you imagine the hysteria if there were a hetro post and/or thread for every gay post/thread? Talk about B.O.R.I.N.G.!

If gay folks make you so miserable, put them on ignore. Seems simple enough.

But who is kidding who? You are always trolling around gay post, I see you there all the time. Hard to be shoving it in your face when you are at the table all the time.

[okie1962]

Judging from this board it is quite clear most people from Oklahoma City are very intolerant. Oklahoma City as usual is 20 to 30 years behind the rest of the United States. What would you expect from a truck stop town?

[OKCtoDFW2016]

Originally Posted by okie1962

Judging from this board it is quite clear most people from Oklahoma City are very intolerant. Oklahoma City as usual is 20 to 30 years behind the rest of the United States. What would you expect from a truck stop town?

There is a definite reason so many people say Tulsa is better than OKC. Tulsa is a conservative town, but its more in line culturally with what you would expect from an urban area. It's no wonder Costco is opening in Tulsa and not in OKC. I wish I could say that OKC isn't as bad as its national reputation but reality isn't that far from the stereotype. That is evident in the posts on this board. Oklahoma City is definitely deserving of its reputation as being America's largest truck stop. It would basically be Amarillo if it wasn't for lucking out and being home to Aubrey McClendon and Larry Nichols.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by OKCtoDFW2016

Trying to argue this is a complete waste of time for both sides. Tolerance, when it comes to the LGBT community does not and cannot go "both ways" like some try to say it should. Let me explain why.

Conservative viewpoint: Homosexuality is an abomination and intolerable. They cannot tolerate the intolerable. They try to point out hypocrisy in liberals because they refuse to show conservative Christians the same tolerance they show the LGBT community.

Liberal viewpoint: Conservative Christians are full of hate and intolerance. They cannot tolerate intolerance. They try to point out hypocrisy in conservatives because they preach smaller government yet want to force their religious values on the masses

Neither side can tolerate each other without violating their own conscience. For the conservatives to tolerate homosexuality would be sinning against God. For liberals to tolerate conservative Christianity would be to endorse hate, both going against their deeply held belief systems.

The best option is to simply live and let live, on both sides. Gay? so what? Christian and you think gay is sin? So what? Arguing this will go round and round to no end.

Although grossly generalized, I think you have well described the caricatures which both sides have created when seeking to decipher the others' position.

Well done. Insightful post.