[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by Annemieke Roell

Quite vulgar, wouldn't you agree? Was that necessary?

Yes, she is vulgar, but you shouldn't take it personally.

Back to the topic..........

[Jammie]

Moderator cut: We're ALL kind of having problems with this thread. Myself included and I apologize publicly for my misinterpretation and error. We're all friends so let's just get back on topic please.

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

Back to the topic..........

You think you are capable?

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by Annemieke Roell

Well, all these additional cmments have really raised the level of usefulness of this post. NOT.

I am still at a loss as to why this was posted in the first place. Perhaps the OP can explain?

you don't think it's at all noteworthy or relevant that such a high percentage of students seemingly have next to zero knowledge of civics, history and geography?

i would have to disagree.

as to heatherdawn's befuddlement about a conservative think-tank conducting and publicizing such a survey, i had the same thoughts. here's my hypothesis:
conservative think-tanks, and conservatives in general [myself included], are generally big proponents of school choice. drawing attention to the currently abysmal state of public education can only strengthen their arguments for more school choice, magnet schools, and the like.

that said, the corollary of such a bias is that they have a vested interest in getting the worst possible outcome from a test such as this one.

here's a link to the test done in arizona:

http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/file/3212/download/3212 (broken link)

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by uggabugga

you don't think it's at all noteworthy or relevant that such a high percentage of students seemingly have next to zero knowledge of civics, history and geography?

Absolutely. As somebody who was educated in Europe I have always found the level of education in this country lacking in a major way.

What I found disturbing is that it wasn't made clear in your post that this survey was taken just in Oklahoma and, if taken nation wide, the results would have been the same in every state.

In other words, your post was misleading and was negative towards Oklahoma specifically.

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by Annemieke Roell

Absolutely. As somebody who was educated in Europe I have always found the level of education in this country lacking in a major way.

What I found disturbing is that it wasn't made clear in your post that this survey was taken just in Oklahoma and, if taken nation wide, the results would have been the same in every state.

In other words, your post was misleading and was negative towards Oklahoma specifically.

what are you talking about? did you miss this?

Originally Posted by uggabugga

let me elaborate. i do NOT believe Oklahomans - OK high school students in particular - are any less informed than students in other states. just the opposite, as a matter of fact.

that is, my guess is that high school students throughout the country would do equally poorly if they took this test, and that these results probably ARE more or less representative of high school students as a whole.

[Annemieke Roell]

Yep, guess I did. Not easy wading through a lot of drivel and picking out the relevant points.

[uggabugga]

it was the very first post.

[Goodpasture]

Enough already, lets quit the bickering and answer the question.........

Just who WAS the first president of the United States?

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

Enough already, lets quit the bickering and answer the question.........

Just who WAS the first president of the United States?

Dah...........Donald Trump?