Mission Viejo High School (Fairfax: income, property tax, wealthiest)

[Fontucky]

Por nada.

[missionhome]

Originally Posted by Charles

Notice how it abuts MVHS. Seems like if CVHS, THS, MHVS, and THHS boundaries were squished and stretched a little, there wouldn't be the odd shapes and the south MVHS zone could be expanded and the north zone could be absorbed.

So what is up with the two MVHS zones? Why not one bigger zone? Seems odd as kids from homes just north of the Dove Canyon entrance need to schlep out to MVHS through three other high school zones.

Attendance boundaries for high schools in the area are indeed VERY strange. Remember that Capo Valley and Tesoro are in Capistrano Unified and the students in the current boundaries for MVHS and Trabuco Hills are in Saddleback Valley Unified. The boundaries cannot cross over into another school district.

SO..... the students in the disjuncted zone of Rancho Santa Margarita that attend MVHS: First, those neighborhoods are in SVUSD and thus have the option of Trabuco Hills, Mission Viejo, El Toro, or Laguna Hills High. Tesoro or CVHS are in CUSD and thus they could not attend them. LHHS and El Toro are farther than MVHS. The most logical option would be to send them to Trabuco Hills High with the rest of the SVUSD's portion of Rancho SM. However Trabuco Hills is the largest student population in SVUSD and at capacity because it serves a sliver of North Mission Viejo, Foothill Ranch, northeast Lake Forest, and much of RSM. Moving the neighborhoods currently in MVHS to THHS would move Trabuco Hills to serving 3,700+ students and drop MVHS down to around 2,200. Mission Viejo serves an older established area of Mission Viejo. It can't serve areas currently attending CVHS, even if a neighborhood is closer to MVHS than CVHS due to the different districts. So in order for MVHS to be close to capacity (2,900) and THHS to not be over capacity (3,200), the RSM zone must go to MVHS. Moving the disjuncted zone to THHS would require THHS to give up part of its current boundaries due to school capacity balancing.

Hope it makes some sense. It is by no means perfect. The problem is schools are serving vast large areas and aren't really neighborhood schools.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by missionhome

Attendance boundaries for high schools in the area are indeed VERY strange. Remember that Capo Valley and Tesoro are in Capistrano Unified and the students in the current boundaries for MVHS and Trabuco Hills are in Saddleback Valley Unified. The boundaries cannot cross over into another school district.

SO..... the students in the disjuncted zone of Rancho Santa Margarita that attend MVHS: First, those neighborhoods are in SVUSD and thus have the option of Trabuco Hills, Mission Viejo, El Toro, or Laguna Hills High. Tesoro or CVHS are in CUSD and thus they could not attend them. LHHS and El Toro are farther than MVHS. The most logical option would be to send them to Trabuco Hills High with the rest of the SVUSD's portion of Rancho SM. However Trabuco Hills is the largest student population in SVUSD and at capacity because it serves a sliver of North Mission Viejo, Foothill Ranch, northeast Lake Forest, and much of RSM. Moving the neighborhoods currently in MVHS to THHS would move Trabuco Hills to serving 3,700+ students and drop MVHS down to around 2,200. Mission Viejo serves an older established area of Mission Viejo. It can't serve areas currently attending CVHS, even if a neighborhood is closer to MVHS than CVHS due to the different districts. So in order for MVHS to be close to capacity (2,900) and THHS to not be over capacity (3,200), the RSM zone must go to MVHS. Moving the disjuncted zone to THHS would require THHS to give up part of its current boundaries due to school capacity balancing.

Hope it makes some sense. It is by no means perfect. The problem is schools are serving vast large areas and aren't really neighborhood schools.

Here's the current disjointed MVHS area:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...c41ea865b44088

Here's the current disjointed ETHS area:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...3e2e1486acb887

Here's the current Trabuco High School area:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...cacf7227256fb0

OK, so why not

1) Expand the southern MVHS area boundary north to include that area south of Trabuco HS zoned to Trabuco High School (this would be tricky)
2) Expand the El Toro High school north to include that area west of Glenn Ranch Road zoned to Trabuco High School
3) Zone the northern disjointed MVHS area (Robinson Ranch) to Trabuco
4) Zone the northern disjointed ETHS area (Portola Hills) to Trabuco

The current Trabuco High school boundary would be reduced because MVHS would take the area south of the Trabuco HS and ETHS would take the area west of Glenn Ranch. With that, Trabuco can now include the Robinson Ranch area (currently zoned to MVHS) and the Portola Hills (currently zoned to ETHS).

You'd have three non disjointed school boundaries rather than one disjointed school boundary (Trabuco) and two disjointed boundaries (ETHS and MVHS).

[missionhome]

Originally Posted by Charles

Here's the current disjointed MVHS area:

Mission Viejo High School Boundaries - Google Maps

Here's the current disjointed ETHS area:

El Toro High - Google Maps

Here's the current Trabuco High School area:

Trabuco Hills Attendance - Google Maps

OK, so why not

1) Expand the southern MVHS area boundary north to include that area south of Trabuco HS zoned to Trabuco High School (this would be tricky)
2) Expand the El Toro High school north to include that area west of Glenn Ranch Road zoned to Trabuco High School
3) Zone the northern disjointed MVHS area (Robinson Ranch) to Trabuco
4) Zone the northern disjointed ETHS area (Portola Hills) to Trabuco

The current Trabuco High school boundary would be reduced because MVHS would take the area south of the Trabuco HS and ETHS would take the area west of Glenn Ranch. With that, Trabuco can now include the Robinson Ranch area (currently zoned to MVHS) and the Portola Hills (currently zoned to ETHS).

You'd have three non disjointed school boundaries rather than one disjointed school boundary (Trabuco) and two disjointed boundaries (ETHS and MVHS).

Seems reasonable to me. I personally like it. Perhaps the only issue would come in the rezoning for MVHS to THHS territory. The area of Mission Viejo is pretty small that goes to Trabuco Hills High. Ironically only about 15% of the Trabuco Hills High student body actually lives in Mission Viejo, on the northern tip. The kids that do live there are within a mile of THHS, many in walking distance. I guess it would just be a little ironic to have the students currently there almost adjacent to Trabuco attend MVHS farther away. So you are right, it would be tricky. Overall I think it is better though.

I think Saddleback Valley Unified isn't going to change it though due to the financial stress in the district. Some people in Mission Viejo are calling for forming our own school district and closing all three of our high schools off to neighboring cities. It would screw SVUSD that has 2 of its 4 high schools in MV. Capistrano Unified could probably move the few San Juan Capistrano students at Capo Valley High over to San Juan Hills.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by missionhome

Some people in Mission Viejo are calling for forming our own school district and closing all three of our high schools off to neighboring cities. It would screw SVUSD that has 2 of its 4 high schools in MV. Capistrano Unified could probably move the few San Juan Capistrano students at Capo Valley High over to San Juan Hills.

I've read a little about this. What is your gut feeling of a MV school district happening? The poll referenced below indicates roughly half the people polled support the idea.

How would this work? I guess that would mean the three high schools would be MV, Capistrano, TBHS.

So Capistrano falls out of the Capistrano school district that leaves:

Aliso Niguel High School
Dana Hills High School
San Clemente High School
San Juan Hills High School
Serra High School
Tesoro High School

And Saddleback would have:

El Toro
Esperanza Special Education
Laguna Hills
Mira Monte
Silverado

"Forty seven percent of voters said they are unhappy that Mission Viejo children are served by different school districts, and ultimately, 51.4 percent of voters support the idea of creating a new Mission Viejo school district."

from

Poll shows voters support idea of creating a new MV school district « The ONLY Official and Accurate News Blog of the City of Mission Viejo

Here are the questions asked and the responses:

http://dms.cityofmissionviejo.org/sirepub/cache/2/5xbrbo55nyjzzg555mpwig55/218798501022010054508897.PDF (broken link)

[bhcompy]

MV will probably have similar issues that Lakewood has been having for 2 decades now. Lakewood is serviced by 4 districts and despite having support for creation of their own district the state school board has routinely rejected the Lakewood proposals. Long Beach Unified and ABC Unified are fairly powerful and stand to lose big in the matter(Lakewood has some 12000 students), which is pretty much the same situation that MV is in being at a disadvantage because they are an above average community in the area with a lot of kids going against some pretty powerful and large districts.

[missionhome]

Originally Posted by Charles

I've read a little about this. What is your gut feeling of a MV school district happening? The poll referenced below indicates roughly half the people polled support the idea.

How would this work? I guess that would mean the three high schools would be MV, Capistrano, TBHS.

So Capistrano falls out of the Capistrano school district that leaves:

Aliso Niguel High School
Dana Hills High School
San Clemente High School
San Juan Hills High School
Serra High School
Tesoro High School

And Saddleback would have:

El Toro
Esperanza Special Education
Laguna Hills
Mira Monte
Silverado

"Forty seven percent of voters said they are unhappy that Mission Viejo children are served by different school districts, and ultimately, 51.4 percent of voters support the idea of creating a new Mission Viejo school district."

from

Poll shows voters support idea of creating a new MV school district « The ONLY Official and Accurate News Blog of the City of Mission Viejo

Here are the questions asked and the responses:

http://dms.cityofmissionviejo.org/sirepub/cache/2/5xbrbo55nyjzzg555mpwig55/218798501022010054508897.PDF (broken link)

Ideally I would like to have our schools in a Mission Viejo only district, sort of like Irvine. Mission Viejo pays far more in taxes than it receives from the school districts. The city did an audit and is in a lawsuit with Capistrano Unified because the district used mello roos and taxes designated to Mission Viejo schools to go on its rapid construction campaign in the 1990's and 2000's building schools in other cities like Rancho Santa Margarita, Aliso Viejo, and unincorporated areas like Ladera Ranch.

HOWEVER, I think trying to split will get rejected by the state (like what happened in Lakewood), cost millions of dollars for the districts and city effecting the students severely during law suit time, and create problems for the neighboring cities that the new district might have to fund for these cities.. For example, Mission Viejo doesn't need 3 comprehensive high schools all for itself. Trabuco Hills, Mission Viejo, and Capo Valley High is a bit overkill for the size of our city's student population.

[CAVA1990]

You have way too many school districts making for way too much duplicate bureaucracy and overhead. You'd be much better off if all South Orange County were combined into one district.

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by CAVA1990

You have way too many school districts making for way too much duplicate bureaucracy and overhead. You'd be much better off if all South Orange County were combined into one district.

We can look to Los Angeles Unified to see the truth, or lack there of, of that statement. Of course these districts also have the biggest problems with budget issues from the state.

The #2 district in the county(by API) has 1 HS, 2 middle schools, a half dozen elementary schools, and 1 continuation school. The #1 district is limited to one city. Oddly enough, both of these districts have handled their budget problems without major issue, unlike the already large districts in much of South OC.

[CAVA1990]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

We can look to Los Angeles Unified to see the truth, or lack there of, of that statement.

How about Fairfax County, VA? They operate 25 high schools and it's one of the best systems in the country. I came up through the CUSD system and my wife through SVSD and we never understood why they needed to be separate. I guess everyone wants their own fiefdom.