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Old 08-14-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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If you go to the study and read the methodology employed (pp. 119-122), you'll find that the problem of self-selection was completely avoided. They contacted 48,637 people without regard to their donor-conception status. This group was then divided into donor-conceived, adopted, and biological offspring categories.
But it isn't a random sampling, it's a sampling of people who signed up for this survey website (and receive compensation for completing surveys) which has unknown bias.

For more flaws, see here: BioNews - 'My Daddy's Name is Donor': Read with caution!

Additionally, a single study is rarely sufficient when making sweeping moral judgements, particularly when that study was conducted by a woman with a bias against donor conceived children.

 
Old 08-14-2012, 07:56 PM
 
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You got your money's worth for that lobotomy.
That will get you five Hail Mary's.

Personally, I believe we should have compassion for the childless who are seeking to have a family because I believe Christ had infinite compassion for ALL of us. Who we are to judge another person for how they decide to have a family?

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Old 08-14-2012, 08:05 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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That will get you five Hail Mary's.

Personally, I believe we should have compassion for the childless who are seeking to have a family because I believe Christ had infinite compassion for ALL of us. Who we are to judge another person for how they decide to have a family?
Just a quick reminder: the religion forum is here. Thanks.
 
Old 08-14-2012, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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But it isn't a random sampling, it's a sampling of people who signed up for this survey website (and receive compensation for completing surveys) which has unknown bias.

For more flaws, see here: BioNews - 'My Daddy's Name is Donor': Read with caution!

Additionally, a single study is rarely sufficient when making sweeping moral judgements, particularly when that study was conducted by a woman with a bias against donor conceived children.
Excellent post, worth reading a second time. The flaws pointed out in the critique are worth noting, particularly the lack of peer review.
 
Old 08-14-2012, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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WesternPilgrim: If not based on religious beliefs, what exactly makes you feel so strongly about parents or "parents" deciding to use IVF in order to have a family. You have failed to provide an intelligent study, so what exactly is your beef? In other words, what exactly is the purpose of this thread?
 
Old 08-14-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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Just a quick reminder: the religion forum is here. Thanks.
Nah. It's anywhere you choose to post. You loudly proclaim yourself a morality arbitor and then even more loudly whine when people choose to disagree you by calling such disagreement religious bigotry.
 
Old 08-14-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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I've only read a couple pages, but I have to comment on the fact that IVF often uses the husband and wife's own sperm and egg. I have a problem with criticizing IVF in general when most of the time it doesn't result in "half orphans" or whatever nonsense the OP is claiming.
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