University City (Philly) vs. Oakland (Pittsburgh) (Philadelphia, Washington: condo, neighborhood, school)

[RightonWalnut]

[quote=speagles84;34234211]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

Oh I can guarentee there are more than 22. My guess would be near 50. I was just going off the top of my head haha.

Haha no problem. I can pull exact numbers for Oakland. What are the neighborhoods that you consider make up Oakland? North, West, South Oakland and Squirrel Hill?

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by speagles84

Wealthiest Boroughs/Cities/Townships in Pennsylvania

1. Fox Chapel, PA - $183,750 - Pittsburgh
2. Sewickley Heights, PA $165,968 - Pittsburgh
3. Upper Makefield Township, PA $163,995 - Philadelphia
4. Upper Uwchlan Township, PA $156,482 Philadelphia
5. Rose Valley, PA $156,042 Philadelphia
6. Ben Avon Heights, PA $151,733 Pittsburgh
7. West Pikeland Township, PA $148,438 Philadelphia
8. Charlestown Township, PA $145,556 Philadelphia
9. Pine Township, PA $143,287 Pittsburgh
10. Edgeworth, PA $142,917 Pittsburgh
11. Marshall Township, PA $128,409 Pittsburgh

American FactFinder - Community Facts

So out of the top 11 in the state, 6 are in Pittsburgh and 5 are in Philadelphia, with Fox Chapel single-handedly being the wealthiest municipality in the state. Low blow to go by zip code, everyone from PA knows they aren't indicative of an area.

There are so many different sources and different ways you can list it. Zipcodes is usually the most agreed upon.

Lower Merion, Gladwyne and Villanova are ranked among the wealthiest areas in the country.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Dude you wasted you time with all that fluff....This tells the real story....End of Story!

Philadelphia Unemployment = 8.4

Pittsburgh Unemployment = 5.8

Amazing Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are polar opposites in where the Jobs actually are. And Supports just what I've been saying ... City of Philadelphia has a JOBS Problem! The City relies heavily on Jobs produced in its Burbs!


Still waiting on those Bustling CBD UC Pics BTW!

You're such an over exaggerator hahaha.

I like how you consistently change you argument once you're proven wrong. You said Philly was poor at creating jobs. Once I prove to you that Philly is doing a pretty good job recently creating jobs, you change the argument to unemployment. Too funny.

The city does not rely heavily on the suburbs. Center City Philly is one of the largest employment centers in the country. Every city in this country has a connection with the suburbs. The city and the burbs feed off of each other.

I will post the pictures. Chill. It's the weekend, and not only am I working all weekend but I have a social life too. I'll get around to it.

[Clark Park]

Originally Posted by speagles84

University City - 43,506
UPenn Undergrad - 10,301
UPenn Grad/Post - 11,028
Drexel Undergrad - 15,876 - 1,674(online only) = 14,202
Drexel Grad/Post - 8,126 - 3,452(online only) = 4,674

Drexel and Penn are not the only schools of higher learning in Philadelphia's University City. There are also: USP - the University Of The Sciences Philadelphia (the oldest - established in 1821 - and one of the most distinguished pharmacy and pharmacology universities in the US) and also the Restaurant School At Walnut Hill College (just a culinary institute, founded in 1974, but a very prestigeous one).

Both schools are just 5 or 6 blocks from the campus of the University of Pennsylvania.

University of the Sciences Philadelphia - approx. 3,000 students, both undergraduate and graduate.

The Restaurant School at Walnut Hill College - approx. 420 students.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by speagles84

Wealthiest Boroughs/Cities/Townships in Pennsylvania

1. Fox Chapel, PA - $183,750 - Pittsburgh
2. Sewickley Heights, PA $165,968 - Pittsburgh
3. Upper Makefield Township, PA $163,995 - Philadelphia
4. Upper Uwchlan Township, PA $156,482 Philadelphia
5. Rose Valley, PA $156,042 Philadelphia
6. Ben Avon Heights, PA $151,733 Pittsburgh
7. West Pikeland Township, PA $148,438 Philadelphia
8. Charlestown Township, PA $145,556 Philadelphia
9. Pine Township, PA $143,287 Pittsburgh
10. Edgeworth, PA $142,917 Pittsburgh
11. Marshall Township, PA $128,409 Pittsburgh

American FactFinder - Community Facts

So out of the top 11 in the state, 6 are in Pittsburgh and 5 are in Philadelphia, with Fox Chapel single-handedly being the wealthiest municipality in the state. Low blow to go by zip code, everyone from PA knows they aren't indicative of an area.

Originally Posted by Summersm343

There are so many different sources and different ways you can list it. Zipcodes is usually the most agreed upon.

Lower Merion, Gladwyne and Villanova are ranked among the wealthiest areas in the country.

Zips correlate fairly well with Philadelphia-area neighborhoods for the most part. Such is not the case for Pittsburgh, which (a) has a lot of micro-municipalities, and (b) has sprawling zip codes on top of that.

Philadelphia has much larger swaths of wealth. That isn't to say that PGH is poor and doesn't have plenty of wealthy neighborhoods of its own, but huge/well-populated stretches of monied areas like the Main Line, Old York Road, Bucks and Chester County countrysides, etc. don't really exist either. The County numbers back this up, though I don't see why we're discussing it in the first place, given that the thread topic is U City vs. Oakland.

Also, BlackBeauty, those links you posted show the Philly metro area having an unemployment rate of 6.4% vs. 5.7%, which is a modestly significant difference (12%). This is notwithstanding the fact that this one statistic, by itself, doesn't begin to "tell the whole story" in any sense of the word.

[pman]

Carlow announces plans for major new construction - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
as much as I hate to post in this train wreck of a thread

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

You're such an over exaggerator hahaha.

I like how you consistently change you argument once you're proven wrong. You said Philly was poor at creating jobs. Once I prove to you that Philly is doing a pretty good job recently creating jobs, you change the argument to unemployment. Too funny.

The city does not rely heavily on the suburbs. Center City Philly is one of the largest employment centers in the country. Every city in this country has a connection with the suburbs. The city and the burbs feed off of each other.

I will post the pictures. Chill. It's the weekend, and not only am I working all weekend but I have a social life too. I'll get around to it.

LMAO....... Philadelphia has 8.4% unemployment via the BLS... and is the highest unemployment number in the entire Philadelphia Metro, higher than even Camden....That F***ings SUCKS! Pull your delusional head out your ass..

[pman]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

LMAO....... Philadelphia has 8.4% unemployment via the BLS... and is the highest unemployment number in the entire Philadelphia Metro, higher than even Camden....That F***ings SUCKS! Pull your delusional head out your ass..

the unemployment rate in the city of camden was 16.6% last summer, presumably you mean camden county

In 2011, Camden's unemployment rate was 19.6%, compared with 10.6% in Camden County as a whole.[80] As of 2009, the unemployment rate in Camden was 19.2%, compared to the 10% overall unemployment rate for Burlington, Camden and Gloucester counties and a rate of 8.4% in Philadelphia and the four surrounding counties in Southeastern Pennsylvania

Camden, New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[RightonWalnut]

[quote=speagles84;34234211]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

Oh I can guarentee there are more than 22. My guess would be near 50. I was just going off the top of my head haha.

I forgot two buildings for University City that were recently completed. The Hilton Homewood Suites is 12 floors and 150 feet.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hilt...F%3B1000%3B749

The Drexel LeBow College of Business is 12 floors and 210 feet
https://www.google.com/search?q=hilt...2F%3B720%3B540

And the new apartment complex Chestnut Square is 19 floors and 212 feet
https://www.google.com/search?q=hilt...=isch&imgdii=_

So that's a total of:

>600 ft: 1
>500 ft: 0
>400 ft: 2
>300 ft: 4
>200 ft: 14
>100 ft: 28

Total buildings over 100ft: 49


Oakland

Cathedral of Learning- 42 floors- 535 ft
Litchfield Tower B- 22 floors- 263 ft
Heinz Chapel- ?? floors- 253 ft
UPMC Presbyterian Hospital- 18 floors- 236 ft
Litchfield Tower A- 19 floors- 227 ft
Thomas Detre Hall- 18 floors- 214 ft
Thomas E Starzl Biomedical Science Tower- 14 floors- 203 ft
Litchfield Tower C- 16 floors- 191 ft
Benedum Hall- 13 floors- 185 ft
Lothrop Hall- 15 floors- 179 ft
Kaufman Medical Buildings- 12 floors- 173 ft
Scaife Hall- 12 floors- 171 ft
Chevron Science Center- 14 floors- 171 ft
William S. Moorehead Tower- 14 floors- 167 ft
Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh of UPMC- 12 floors- 157 ft
UPMC Montefiore Hospital- 12 floors- 157 ft
Brackenridge Hall- 13 floors- 155 ft
Bellefield Place- 13 floors- 155 ft
Eye and Ear Institute- 11 floors- 144 ft
The Madison on Bellefield- 12 floors- 143 ft
Royal York Apartments- 12 floors- 143 ft
Dithridge house- 12 floors- 143 ft
Bruce Hall- 12 floors- 143 ft
Lhormer Building- 11 floors- 134 ft
Amos Hall- 11 floors- 132 ft
Holland Hall- 11 floors- 131 ft
Webster Hall- 11 floors- 131 ft
McCormick Hall- 11 floors- 131 ft
William Pit Union- 10 floors- 121 ft
King Edward Apartments- 10 floors- 120 ft
Wellington Apartments- 10 floors- 119 ft
Bellefield Towers- 8 floors- 116 ft
Salk Hall- 9 floors- 114 ft
Holiday Inn Select University Center Pittsburgh- 9 floors- 112 ft
Learning, Research and Development Center- 9 floors- 110 ft
Rangos Research Center- 9 floors- 110 ft
Parran Hall- 9 floors- 110 ft
Alumni Hall- 9 floors- 110 ft
Bellefield Dwellings- 9 floors- 107 ft
Dithridge Towers- 9 floors- 107 ft
King Edward Apartments II- 9 floors- 107 ft
Cathedral Mansions- 9 floors- 107 ft
Ruskin Hall- 9 floors- 107 ft
Fairfax Apartments- 9 floors- 107 ft
Sherwood Towers- 9 floors- 107 ft
The Bristol- 9 floors- 107 ft
Pittsburgh Athletic Association Building- 6 floors- 105 ft
Children's Hospital North Building- 8 floors- 104 ft

Total buildings over 100 ft:

>500 ft- 1
>400 ft- 0
>300 ft- 0
>200 ft- 6
>100 ft- 41

Total: 48

North Oakland | Buildings | EMPORIS
West Oakland | Buildings | EMPORIS


So it looks like as of now, University City is pulling ahead because of all the new construction, UCity has one more building over 100 ft than Oakland. Where they really change however, is in the height differences. UCity is much taller, on average, than Oakland. Oakland has more in the 100 ft range, but UCity has more in the 200 ft range, and UCity also has some building in the 300 and 400 ft range where Oakland has none. Lastly, Oakland's tallest is the 535 ft Cathedral of Learning, and UCity's tallest, while under construction, is significantly taller than Oakland's at 656 ft. This is the FMC Tower office building under construction.

[RightonWalnut]

So all in all, it looks like University City and Oakland are almost neck and neck in jobs, number of tall buildings, and number of students.

University City has a much higher overall population though.

Sooooo what it comes down too, is these two PA business districts are nearly neck and neck. Do you guys think it will stay this way? Or, will University City continue to grow faster and pull ahead?