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If you want to believe the $60 jeans at Nordstroms are better quality than the $20~$30 jeans at other stores you go right ahead... Like I said, easy Target.
And no, I don't believe nor did I suggest that "all cloths are created with equal quality". There are poor quality garments out there, but you can produce a quality pair of jeans for $10 or so and profitably retail them at $20~$30. Nordstorm sales the same $10 jeans, just at higher margins. Again, nothing secrete here, just your normal business stuff. Nordstorm and Old Navy just operate with different pricing models, you'll notice that Gap inc has segmented that market via three different stores as well. There is that crazy price discrimination again!
If you want to believe the $60 jeans at Nordstroms are better quality than the $20~$30 jeans at other stores you go right ahead... Like I said, easy Target.
And no, I don't believe nor did I suggest that "all cloths are created with equal quality". There are poor quality garments out there, but you can produce a quality pair of jeans for $10 or so and profitably retail them at $20~$30. Nordstorm sales the same $10 jeans, just at higher margins. Again, nothing secrete here, just your normal business stuff. Nordstorm and Old Navy just operate with different pricing models, you'll notice that Gap inc has segmented that market via three different stores as well. There is that crazy price discrimination again!
let's see now....i guess these folks know nothing either, about how companies may have to change the blends that they use, sacraficing quality. they got it all wrong! i never said i didn't overpay for the jeans at nordstrom, but you can't buy the same jeans elsewhere. maybe it's got a button on it that costs more and provides no real benefit to me, but the denim is better quality, because the company uses a better blend of materials, and has better stitching than the other jeans i used to purchase. maybe i can get something similar to the ones i got at nordstroms for less. i'd be willing to buy them if i knew where they were sold. old navy isn't simply making a smaller margin. they are having their jeans mass produced in a country that pays no wages, and they use lower quality blend of materials. the brand i purchased makes their jeans in the USA, so i paid for higher labor costs for sure, but i also paid for better workmanship and higher quality blend of material. sorry you can't comprehend that. doesn't mean i couldn't have gotten it cheaper, but old navy vs the jeans i bought are not the exact substitute products.
“There may be some flexibility with pricing if [merchants are] trying to pass some costs onto the consumer, but the last thing a retailer or brand wants to do is sacrifice quality or ask the consumer to pay more for less,’’ said Melissa Bastos of Cotton Inc."
"The Gap Inc. and other big brands are planning to conduct “fabric engineering’’ — or reducing the amount of cotton. Man-made fibers such as spandex and viscose are often added to help clothes keep their shape and resist wrinkling, but many consumers perceive these materials as lower quality that result in stretchy pants and scratchy shirts."
let's see now....i guess these folks know nothing either, about how companies may have to change the blends that they use, sacraficing quality.
You are grasping at straws here... The information you are posting has nothing to do with jeans which was the topic. I never suggested that garment prices haven't increased, instead I accurately told you that the increase in cotton prices translates in to a relatively small increase at the retail level. Nor did I suggest that all garments are 100% cotton, blends are common throughout the garment industry and have been for decades. You are suggesting that Old Navy is using blends where as your over-priced Nordstorms jeans aren't, that simply isn't true. Go walk into an Old Navy tomorrow, you'll find most of their jeans are 100% cotton.
Additionally, nobody in the garment industry thinks current cotton prices are long-term. Don't believe me? Look at the futures for 2012.
In terms of made in the USA? Ha....Whether you're producing the garments in Mexico, China or the US its largely made by the same people and often under similar working conditions. American Apparel, the largest US garment manufacture, recently had to laid off around half their line workers because they were illegal....and that is a company that supposed cares about their employees and is large enough not to fly under the radar. The US apparel industry is plagued with worker violations, in fact, California just passed a supply-chain law that forces large retailers/manufactures to prevent slavery in the industry...yeah. Honestly, the workers probably have higher standards of living in Mexico, Haiti, Vietnam, etc where the cost of living is much less.
Regardless, garments produced in the US aren't any higher quality. Anyhow, I'm done with the topic, you are free to believe whatever you wish. Good luck with those hand-stitched jeans
In terms of beer choice, that is a highly related to socioeconomic status, in particular of the environment you grew up in. In fact tell me someone's beer choice and I can with a rather high probability tell you their socioeconomic background.
Lets see a demonstration. I like Oscar's chocolate oatmeal stout.
This thread has gone completely off topic. Which kind of beer tastes better and which brand of jeans lasts longest has nothing to do with the use or non-use of debit cards, which is the topic.
This thread has gone completely off topic. Which kind of beer tastes better and which brand of jeans lasts longest has nothing to do with the use or non-use of debit cards, which is the topic.
Who's talking about which beer tastes better? We're contesting a claim that socio-economic status can be determined by beer preferences. Not on topic, I grant, but closer...
You are grasping at straws here... The information you are posting has nothing to do with jeans which was the topic. I never suggested that garment prices haven't increased, instead I accurately told you that the increase in cotton prices translates in to a relatively small increase at the retail level. Nor did I suggest that all garments are 100% cotton, blends are common throughout the garment industry and have been for decades. You are suggesting that Old Navy is using blends where as your over-priced Nordstorms jeans aren't, that simply isn't true. Go walk into an Old Navy tomorrow, you'll find most of their jeans are 100% cotton.
Additionally, nobody in the garment industry thinks current cotton prices are long-term. Don't believe me? Look at the futures for 2012.
In terms of made in the USA? Ha....Whether you're producing the garments in Mexico, China or the US its largely made by the same people and often under similar working conditions. American Apparel, the largest US garment manufacture, recently had to laid off around half their line workers because they were illegal....and that is a company that supposed cares about their employees and is large enough not to fly under the radar. The US apparel industry is plagued with worker violations, in fact, California just passed a supply-chain law that forces large retailers/manufactures to prevent slavery in the industry...yeah. Honestly, the workers probably have higher standards of living in Mexico, Haiti, Vietnam, etc where the cost of living is much less.
Regardless, garments produced in the US aren't any higher quality. Anyhow, I'm done with the topic, you are free to believe whatever you wish. Good luck with those hand-stitched jeans
you obviously missed the link i posted that stated that companies like Gap Inc (owner of Old Navy) was performing "fabric engineering" to save money. thanks!
you're done with this topic because you have nothing to add to it that's intelligent. it takes 2 seconds to prove your statements wrong or misleading. you like to claim things, but have zero backing for it. it's really nice.
i'm going to go finance me an ice cream cone now. but i'm gonna pay 25 cents extra for it because i'm financing it.
This thread has gone completely off topic. Which kind of beer tastes better and which brand of jeans lasts longest has nothing to do with the use or non-use of debit cards, which is the topic.
you're correct. the thread started as a discussion about why use check cards over credit cards. to which some folks replied that using credit is said to cause people spend more.
then it became a discussion on budgeting and financing. then, user_id just thought he'd throw it out there that none of us are capable of making spending decisions if we choose to finance instead of pay cash. ironic, since he started the thread to criticize people who used debit instead of credit.
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