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Old 07-16-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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correct but not correct:

The problem is no one owns in the cpi. Ownership is converted in to a formula for renting . The cpi results are skewed in that respect.

everyone is figured as renting . there is no real ownership calculated in.

new studies are indicating while certain costs do rise overall the spending drops in the 70-80 range to offset the increases. spending is smile shaped . higher in the early years from doing and traveling , followed by a big drop , followed by a rise after 80 for healthcare ,gifting and charity.

overall the drops have been found to negate much of the increases especially when a fixed rate mortgage or paid home are in the equation.

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Old 07-16-2014, 11:34 AM
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True, CPI is just another metric. It may or may not reflect your lifestyle. Paying off the mortgage and putting the last kid through college will cut my expenses greatly . . . only to be replaced with travel and a new Canon 5D and a couple of L lenses. I know you can relate to that in a Nikon kind of way.
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:04 PM
 
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Yep i sure can relate. We finally reached that travel mode since i went part time last week.

The cpi can be very misleading when it comes to housing costs. It was changed years ago to a method of computation where every one rents and ownership is not in the equation.

The reality is even with taxes and maintaince rising with a payed off home little inflation adjusting is actually needed . That really cuts saving requirements.

It is funny how no calculators and few planners consider this fact.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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It's more about the income stream than the money amount. When interest rates were at 6%, $300K in a 401K yielded $18,000 a year. Add that to $30-$40K SS and 2 people can retire on it. Add that to $30 to $40K in pensions and you have more than you need. Today that $300K in a 401K might yield $4500 per year, so it's SS and Pensions, still doable. But if you have no pension you are in a bind trying to live on SS and that $4500 per year. Today, even $1 Million in savings is worth less than a $45K pension. And you can't rely on the stock market, because when those bubbles pop you are down to 1/2 your equity in a matter of months. So save what you can, plan to be debt free several years before you retire, then start living on whatever income stream you estimate you will have a few years before you retire. Save the rest. If your income stream will be $60K a year, then live on $55K a year for a couple of years before you retire. If you can do that you should be fine.
Bob, excellent post, and so true.
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