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Old 06-08-2017, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Spain
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What if the rent is too high and it consumes half your income?
If someone doesn't have the money to invest in the stock market then they don't have the money to invest, they need to either increase their income or reduce their expenses.

First up on the "reduce expenses" side of the equation would be the obvious like not throwing away money renting a storage unit to feed the big future business payoff fantasy, or putting money into previous metals investments.
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Old 06-08-2017, 02:36 AM
 
Location: Spain
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You save more than the standard 10% to 15% that is recommended. In short, most people need to shun the standard middle class lifestyle (for a period of time, anyway) if they want to do well financially. Or at the very least, they have to be at least somewhat out of step with their peer group. If most people are broke (and they are--at every income level), then you have to be the one willing to be the oddball if you want to be financially comfortable / rich.
While I agree with your sentiment I think this statement takes it a bit too far.

Someone saving "only" 10%-15% of their income isn't automatically considered not doing well financially because that is their savings rate, they are probably already ahead of most of their peers and should over a 40+ year career build up a reasonable nest egg to go along with social security in retirement. There are a lot more factors than just a savings rate when judging financial health, and I submit many people with this savings rate are doing just fine especially if they manage their debt well.

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Indeed. Nobody gets rich following the status quo, mainstream advice that gets peddled out there.
Meh, I'm not sure getting rich is necessarily the best goal for most people. It's a great side-effect of reaching some goals depending on your expenses, age, etc. but it is quite possible to have a fruitful life with a solid personal finance perspective while never attaining a wealth level that many would consider rich.


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Most of the time, I'm feeling really good about what I'm doing and why.
You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and this is a great place to be, it sure is a lot easier when it doesn't feel like an endless grind to get/stay ahead.
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:39 AM
 
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What if the rent is too high and it consumes half your income?
you need more jobs . but of course there are excuses for not having more jobs .

no time

no car

no skills

no work

medical issues

my parents .

bad schedule

the list can go on and on .

of course the real reason is a lifetime of poor decisions and bad choices .
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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What if the rent is too high and it consumes half your income?
Same advice I gave you before.
1. Move
OR
2. Get a better job
OR
3. Get a roommate.


How freaking hard is this?
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:12 AM
 
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eventually it is as hard as saying to the guy who built the brooklyn bridge , it's nice but can you move it 2" left .

once you commit financial suicide it is near impossible to come back from the financially dead
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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Same advice I gave you before.
1. Move
OR
2. Get a better job
OR
3. Get a roommate.


How freaking hard is this?

I already have 10 roommates.
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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wait i have to add that to the excuse list i made
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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I already have 10 roommates.
No, that's not what anyone means.

We are suggesting you rent a 2 bedroom apartment on the bus line and split the cost with a roommate of your choice, a friend, relative, co-worker, someone you find on craigslist, someone who goes to your church, someone you know from your medical appointments, etc. Make sure you get one with internet access and room for everything in your storage facility. Something you should have done many, many years ago.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:05 AM
 
Location: USA
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What if the rent is too high and it consumes half your income?




check out the Frugal Living Forum for threads along these lines:




do you live near woods or vacant lots? Live there.


Do you have access to a van or car? Live in that.


No rent!


Look at all the money you save
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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While I agree with your sentiment I think this statement takes it a bit too far.

Someone saving "only" 10%-15% of their income isn't automatically considered not doing well financially because that is their savings rate, they are probably already ahead of most of their peers and should over a 40+ year career build up a reasonable nest egg to go along with social security in retirement. There are a lot more factors than just a savings rate when judging financial health, and I submit many people with this savings rate are doing just fine especially if they manage their debt well.
These people will do just fine IF they can maintain decent paying employment for 30-40 years with minimal or no breaks. The problem is, a lot of people don't. Granted, if most people actually did save in the 10-15% range, most would be in a much better position to weather getting booted out of good paying employment in their 50s.
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