College Party Buses in Old City

[Debbie1125]

I would want to live off campus too if I were attending Temple. It's not exactly in the best of neighborhoods.

Manayunk has had the same problem for years with the bars on Main Street. College kids are going to get drunk and have a good time. As long as they're not causing destruction or damaging property, I don't see a problem.

At least they're not causing violent crime or shooting people with tasers

[mcguirk]

Originally Posted by Debbie1125

I would want to live off campus too if I were attending Temple. It's not exactly in the best of neighborhoods.

Manayunk has had the same problem for years with the bars on Main Street. College kids are going to get drunk and have a good time. As long as they're not causing destruction or damaging property, I don't see a problem.

At least they're not causing violent crime or shooting people with tasers

I have no data but a significant number of students live in Templetown. Partly for the weekend party scene but mostly for convenience and cost. Of course many students live in South Philly near the BSL and a very few live in UCity and West Philly. Port Fishington has a growing Temple student bubble because it's cheap and an easy bike ride to Temple (or an easy walk from the 34, but not at night).

Virtually no upperclassmen and in fact very few sophomores live in Temple-owned facilities. This may change once the new dorms are finished but not significantly; Temple can't even handle freshman demands.

If you polled a lecture hall of 500 students you might find fifteen that do not meet the aforementioned boundaries. In my time there I only encountered a handful of students who lived within the classical boundaries of Center City, and there is a definite relation between these students and higher family income.

It would be great to see how the living and commuting demographics compare to Penn undergrad students. if anyone can provide the data then I'd be forever grateful.

[Cnote11]

Originally Posted by mcguirk

I have no data but a significant number of students live in Templetown. Partly for the weekend party scene but mostly for convenience and cost. There is a nice chunk of students who live in South Philly near the BSL and a very few in UCity and West Philly. The rest live in Port Libfishington or commute from the suburbs (overwhelmingly by rail but a few by car). Almost no upperclassmen and in fact very few sophomores live in Temple-owned facilities.

If you polled a lecture hall of 500 students you might find fifteen that do not meet the aforementioned boundaries. In my time there I didn't encounter one person who lived within the classical boundaries of Center City.

It would be great to see how the living and commuting demographics compare to Penn students. if anyone can provide the data then I'd be forever grateful.

I'm a Penn student and I live in in Center City/Logan Square area. A lot of Penn students also take up residence in Spruce Hill and University City/surrounding areas. I wonder how many actually live in Center City proper myself.

[mcguirk]

Originally Posted by Cnote11

I'm a Penn student and I live in in Center City/Logan Square area. A lot of Penn students also take up residence in Spruce Hill and University City/surrounding areas. I wonder how many actually live in Center City proper myself.

Very cool. It's too easy to fall into the trap of saying, "Penn students generally come from more wealthy backgrounds and therefore generally live in more affluent sections of the city," so I won't make that generalization (especially since so many willingly choose to push the "50th and Baltimore" boundary). But if we had the data then I wouldn't be surprised if Temple's population epicenter were roughly 16th and Cecil B Moore (where the affluent students in CC are outliers) while Penn's was basically over the river (where the overall population spread is much larger and more evenly disturbed WRT wealth).

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by mcguirk

Very cool. It's too easy to fall into the trap of saying, "Penn students generally come from more wealthy backgrounds and therefore generally live in more affluent sections of the city," so I won't make that generalization (especially since so many willingly choose to push the "50th and Baltimore" boundary). But if we had the data then I wouldn't be surprised if Temple's population epicenter were roughly 16th and Cecil B Moore (where the affluent students in CC are outliers) while Penn's was basically over the river (where the overall population spread is much larger and more evenly disturbed WRT wealth).

It varies a bit from school to school. The undergrads, most of whom are still supported by their parents, definitely skew toward the rich side. My girlfriend went to the college/nursing school and she felt "poor" as someone from a conventionally middle class background. Most (though certainly not all) of the undergrads live on-campus anyway.

Grad school's a bit of a different story, since most students, even the ones from wealthier families, are mostly supporting themselves. Geographically speaking, people are all over the place. I'd say ~2/3 of the law students live within 15 blocks of campus. It's maybe a 65/35 University City/Center City split. People live in everything from walkups to luxury apartments to 8-person houses.

[Cnote11]

Originally Posted by mcguirk

Very cool. It's too easy to fall into the trap of saying, "Penn students generally come from more wealthy backgrounds and therefore generally live in more affluent sections of the city," so I won't make that generalization (especially since so many willingly choose to push the "50th and Baltimore" boundary). But if we had the data then I wouldn't be surprised if Temple's population epicenter were roughly 16th and Cecil B Moore (where the affluent students in CC are outliers) while Penn's was basically over the river (where the overall population spread is much larger and more evenly disturbed WRT wealth).

Indeed, it would be too easy. Penn admits many students who come from below the poverty line, like me for example. I believe I read somewhere that they admit the highest percentage of lower-class students out of all the Ivy League schools but don't hold me to that. Still, the majority of the undergraduate student body are on the wealthier side.