South Philly Biggest drop in poverty in the city (Oxford: organic, to live in)

[jtom605]

Originally Posted by Larry Bowa

Rhawnhurst is NOT Lower NE Philly.

The article uses "Lower NE" to refer to any area south of Pennypack Park, so Rhawnhurst, Fox Chase, Mayfair, etc. are included in the statistics.

In reality, Lower NE is probably like Wissinoming, Lawncrest, Crescentville, Summerdale, Frankford, Oxford Circle, etc. I've only heard "far northeast,"--never heard anyone use "lower northeast" anyway.

[AJNEOA]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

Yes, but most students have their parents finances to fall back on. They are also usually not associated with crime or undesirable elements.

This is becoming less true every year. Students are having to take out larger sums because families don't have the money. That's besides the fact that the middle class is shrinking.

Pervasive Student Debt Penetrates Middle Class - Student Loan Ranger (usnews.com)

Upper middle class sees the biggest jump in student loan debt | Marketplace.org

I think that the student loan crisis is going to hurt urban growth nationally when the **** hits the fan eventually. Young people cannot continue taking on such huge amounts of debt without adequate jobs available, and universities will hit a crisis when that becomes true (as well as the urban areas they occupy).

This will hurt a lot of cities IMO.

[UK85]

opps wrong thread

[Larry Bowa]

Originally Posted by jtom605

The article uses "Lower NE" to refer to any area south of Pennypack Park, so Rhawnhurst, Fox Chase, Mayfair, etc. are included in the statistics.

In reality, Lower NE is probably like Wissinoming, Lawncrest, Crescentville, Summerdale, Frankford, Oxford Circle, etc. I've only heard "far northeast,"--never heard anyone use "lower northeast" anyway.

Either way, Lower NE Philly is shot.

[Debbie1125]

The lower Northeast is definitely on a downhill slide. When I moved out of Wissinoming, it was starting to fill up with Section 8 tenants. A few years ago I had to go back to the old neighborhood. Most of the businesses that were on Torresdale Avenue and those at the intersections on Bridge Street were gone. The homes don't look that bad yet. Crime has increased significantly though.

[Clark Park]

Originally Posted by mancat100

A mini Queens would be preferable to a new North Philly.

A "mini Queens"???

What does that mean?

The Borough of Queens, NY has some some very expensive affluent neighborhoods - Bayside, Fresh Meadows, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens, Jamaica Estates, Hollis Hills, Flushing Hillcrest ... and some very poor areas as well like South Jamaica.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by Clark Park

A "mini Queens"???

What does that mean?

The Borough of Queens, NY has some some very expensive affluent neighborhoods - Bayside, Fresh Meadows, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens, Jamaica Estates, Hollis Hills, Flushing Hillcrest ... and some very poor areas as well like South Jamaica.

Yes. As opposed to a gigantic swath of poverty and decay.

[checkmatechamp13]

Originally Posted by Clark Park

A "mini Queens"???

What does that mean?

The Borough of Queens, NY has some some very expensive affluent neighborhoods - Bayside, Fresh Meadows, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens, Jamaica Estates, Hollis Hills, Flushing Hillcrest ... and some very poor areas as well like South Jamaica.

I forget where I read it, but Queens is actually the most economically homogenous (I forget the exact term they used) borough. In other words, there wasn't that much of an extreme difference between the rich and the poor. (So there wasn't as much of a gap between say, Douglaston and Far Rockaway, compared to the Upper East Side and East Harlem).

[WAOrganicFarmWannabe]

Originally Posted by Snwmn5

I'd like to see the stats by neighborhood that are creating that increase in the Lower Northeast. Id imagine that Fox Chase is an outlier and more on par with the Far Northeast than sections like Frankford or Oxford Circle.

I lived in Fox Chase long ago (and spent part of 1990 in Rockledge, which seemed similar). Fox Chase was always nice at least up through the 90's, and it makes sense that it will be better than Mayfair but not quite as good as Bustleton, where I also lived long ago. Actually I never thought of Fox Chase as being Lower Northeast because the vibe is different from areas such as Mayfair, Frankford. Burholme I can't say is more like Fox Chase or Lawndale but as I said I haven't lived down there for so long.

[WAOrganicFarmWannabe]

Originally Posted by Aimewitue

Do you consider the Foxchase to be lower northeast? I always though Foxchase was far northeast since its north of cottman.

Really isnt anything North of Rhawn St. the Far northeast?

I haven't noticed much changes in the foxchase area?

Haven't been to these areas much lately but I agree with you. I alwasy thought of lower ne as south of Cottman Av.