Proof! The crime is not just in N. Philly and West Philly. (Philadelphia: apartments, violent crime)

[LAX_Airport]

Here is a map that shows there is crime all throughout the city. This is mostly for our Philly friends who missed this map! So....the crime isn't just in the North and West sides of Philly. Do not be NAIVE! Here is proof.


I could not post the map, so here is a link. Also search on google. type in
philly.com crime maps or use this link from the local paper>

http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/

[LAX_Airport]

Here is the link without the "url"
I dont know why it did this. Try the one below if the top one does not work.


http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/


inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/

Originally Posted by LAX_Airport

Here is a map that shows there is crime all throughout the city. This is mostly for our Philly friends who missed this map! So....the crime isn't just in the North and West sides of Philly. Do not be NAIVE! Here is proof.


I could not post the map, so here is a link. Also search on google. type in
philly.com crime maps or use this link from the local paper>

http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/

[rainrock]

Originally Posted by LAX_Airport

Here is a map that shows there is crime all throughout the city. This is mostly for our Philly friends who missed this map! So....the crime isn't just in the North and West sides of Philly. Do not be NAIVE! Here is proof.


I could not post the map, so here is a link. Also search on google. type in
philly.com crime maps or use this link from the local paper>

http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/

I could see trying to pick on Philadelphia if it was the only place on earth that experiences crime. But Philadelphia is no different than any other major city in the USA. 2005 Philadelphia ranked 36th in violent crime in cities over 350,000 people. 2006 Philly crime spiked and the ranking will probably be a bit higher, but I bet there will still be at least 20 other major cities in worse shape than Philly regarding violent crime.

I realize NYC is 6 times the size of Philadlephia but in 2005 NYC had 4 times as many violent crimes as Philly, but you never hear about NYC being an unsafe place to live.If NYC has 40,000 violent crimes per year and Phillys has 10,000 violent crimes, in reality which place is more unsafe? I could show you a crime map of NYC, Chicago,DC,La that would make you never want to step within 1000 miles of those cities.

Crime is everywhere in the cities.Certain sections are where 95% of the crimes take place. Is there spillover into what are seemingly safe neighborhoods? Yes but its exception not the norm. Just like Manhattan is going to be safer than parts of the Bronx/Queens, Center City is going to be safer than West/North Philly.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by LAX_Airport

Here is a map that shows there is crime all throughout the city. This is mostly for our Philly friends who missed this map! So....the crime isn't just in the North and West sides of Philly. Do not be NAIVE! Here is proof.


I could not post the map, so here is a link. Also search on google. type in
philly.com crime maps or use this link from the local paper>

http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/

ANOTHER interesting feature of that interactive map aside from looking at the location in which murders were committed is that they are broken down in terms of the time of day, gender, age and race.

Just for the sake of finding trends, let's look at the numbers:

SEX
Female: 11.6%
Male: 88.4%

RACE
Black: 82.5%
White:15.6%
Asian:1.9%

AGE
0-17: 8.4%
18-25: 40.9%
26-40: 32.8%
40-60: 14.5%
60+: 3.7%

TIME
Midnight-6am: 33.3%
6am-Noon: 12.3%
Noon-6pm: 21.9%
6pm-Midnight: 32.0%
Unknown/NA: 0.49%

Not trying to make any racist, sexist or ageist statements here -- but I think the trends are pretty clear. Crime just tends to occur at a much higher rate among younger, minority males. My point is, regardless of how much some people would like to portray it otherwise, it's not like there are criminals in Philly killing everyone in sight at random. Again, I'm not making any judgements, but the fact of the matter is that violent crime tends to be highly associated with certain demographics.

Aside from that, the map DOES display that both northeastern and northwestern Philadelphia (in addition to Center City) have drastically lower incidents of murder (Roxborough, Manayunk, Mt. Airy, Fox Chase, etc.).

[rainrock]

Good points duderino. Also add that 95% of the people who were killed last year were intended targets( back in the day they used to fistfight- today these kids are packing heat and letting fly for any little discrepancy). 75% of those killed last year had criminal records. Those are crazy numbers.

[passdoubt]

This map shows...

- Only 2 murders in Center City, the most densely-populated part of the city
- Only 2 murders in the parts of University City/West Philly that anybody would recommend people live
- Only 1 murder in Fishtown
- Only 1 murder in Northern Liberties
- TONS of murders in the "bad neighborhoods" of the city-- the hearts of North Philly, West Philly, Point Breeze and 5th Street in South Philly

We're looking at the same map, but drawing very different conclusions.

And as people have mentioned, the murderers and the murder victims are overwhelmingly people who know each other. Do you know people who shoot people? I don't. I tend not to associate with drug dealers who kill each other, so my chances of getting shot decrease dramatically.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by passdoubt

And as people have mentioned, the murderers and the murder victims are overwhelmingly people who know each other. Do you know people who shoot people? I don't. I tend not to associate with drug dealers who kill each other, so my chances of getting shot decrease dramatically.

Exactly. This is why it really irks me when the media releases crime statistics like this -- many people really don't know how to interpret them. If some news source put out statistics with percentages AND probability, then they would not look nearly as dramatic. Statistics are all about the context of the numbers, and your drug dealer example reflects that perfectly.

[replantedinsc]

The thing is bullets do not come with names on them, so any one is fair game I'd rather not take the chance of living somewhere that I could be shot just for walking down the street at the wrong time of day.
Whereever those criminals, (armed, have-nothing-to live-for, crazed from drugs) criminals encounter one another there could be deadly shots fired.
In my opinion, it's simply not worth it. What's interesting is that Philly's house values have dramatically increased over the past few years.
I'll revisit the stats to see if job growth and/or salaries are increasing at the same rate.

[passdoubt]

Yeah, but statistically you're more likely to die in a car crash driving around in suburbia than you are to die as an innocent victim of gun violence in the city.

(You're also much more likely to die on the drive to the airport than you are in the plane. People fear irrational phenomena because they don't feel in control of their lives, not because of actual risk analysis.)

As for Philly's housing values, it's not "worth it" to live anywhere but the exurban fringe of a Sunbelt city (say, Phoenix) if you're doing a strictly economic comparison of housing prices and incomes. But people value intangibles (culture, lifestyles, family). That's why people pay $2,000 a month for apartments the size of boxes in Manhattan. They're not crazy, they're just putting value in other things.

Philadelphia's housing has been historically undervalued when compared to its peers in the Northeast (NY, Boston, DC). Philly's basically playing catch-up now.

[PhillyPhan]

i like what rainrock said. i gave u props.