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Old 10-13-2016, 12:11 AM
 
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Everything you are as a person right now. I'm not talking about your choices, lifestyle, decision, hobbies, and all the crap that you do everyday that you think makes you special, etc. I'm talking about YOU. What you are as a human being, physically and mentally. Many people are under the misconception that personality and anything regarding behavior is something ethereal and not physical. You are wrong.

Everything you consider "the inside" is nothing more than a byproduct of your brain, which is made of physical parts and components, which are 100% determined by your genetics. There is very little to nothing you can do to change how your brain is wired and how it operates. Your personality, character, temperament, inhibition or desinhibition, extroversion, introversion, intelligence, talents, etc, are mostly determined by how your brain is made.

Every single part about your physical appearance is determined by your genetics. Height, body shape, muscle shape, fat shape, skin color, hair color, facial hair, body hair, bone size, face, organs, how your body is wired and how every single part inside of you is made. Everything. It determines if you will suffer from health problems, how long you will live, how fast or slow you will age, if you will develop cancer or not, etc. There is very little you can do to alter these things.

Of course, humans will always refuse to accept this, because it leave them hopeless and powerless.

Humans will always put people with good genetics, which includes looks, talent and emotional aspects on a pedestal. This has happened since the history of mankind. We always look up to those are better than us.

Equally, we put down those who want to better themselves and who try to achieve what the people won the genetic lottery have. Example, such as plastic surgery and many other. It may be a form of jealousy and wanting to keep others down where you are.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:23 AM
 
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Yes a good thread!!!!

YES.. If someone is gonna be GAY for example it is determined @ birth........ No one can make anyone choose one or the other.... AS THEY GET OLDER THEY REALISE WHAT THEY PREFER!!
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Old 10-13-2016, 07:57 AM
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Everything you are as a person right now. I'm not talking about your choices, lifestyle, decision, hobbies, and all the crap that you do everyday that you think makes you special, etc. I'm talking about YOU. What you are as a human being, physically and mentally. Many people are under the misconception that personality and anything regarding behavior is something ethereal and not physical. You are wrong.

Everything you consider "the inside" is nothing more than a byproduct of your brain, which is made of physical parts and components, which are 100% determined by your genetics. There is very little to nothing you can do to change how your brain is wired and how it operates. Your personality, character, temperament, inhibition or desinhibition, extroversion, introversion, intelligence, talents, etc, are mostly determined by how your brain is made.

Every single part about your physical appearance is determined by your genetics. Height, body shape, muscle shape, fat shape, skin color, hair color, facial hair, body hair, bone size, face, organs, how your body is wired and how every single part inside of you is made. Everything. It determines if you will suffer from health problems, how long you will live, how fast or slow you will age, if you will develop cancer or not, etc. There is very little you can do to alter these things.

Of course, humans will always refuse to accept this, because it leave them hopeless and powerless.

Humans will always put people with good genetics, which includes looks, talent and emotional aspects on a pedestal. This has happened since the history of mankind. We always look up to those are better than us.

Equally, we put down those who want to better themselves and who try to achieve what the people won the genetic lottery have. Example, such as plastic surgery and many other. It may be a form of jealousy and wanting to keep others down where you are.
The brain is genetically programmed to grow in a certain fashion, but environmental factors as inputs into its final form (to the extent there is a "final form") result in particular formations which will vary based on the actual input. The brain requires sensory stimulation to reach its adult form - and the variables there result in different physical structures (even if at the molecular level of changes in long term potentiation, synapse density, branching, receptor expression level) . The first few years of brain growth are especially susceptible to environmental influences.


If you want to think of it at the DNA level, our genome is a set of genes that we all share - but the extent expression of each of those genes within an individual (or within certain cells of an individual) can vary through a lifetime, and some environmental influences can affect some of that.


If you have two identical twin newborn animals and you raise one in an environment of vertical stripes and the other in the real world within a year you have two very differently functioning brains. Their DNA is to all intents and purposes identical but their brain structure at one year is not. There's a lot of neuronal trimming, synapse strengthening etc etc that will result in different physical structures.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:06 AM
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Yes a good thread!!!!

YES.. If someone is gonna be GAY for example it is determined @ birth........ No one can make anyone choose one or the other.... AS THEY GET OLDER THEY REALISE WHAT THEY PREFER!!


Its not actually known - the real scientific jury is still out on that one. There is a lot of political pressure from one side to pretend we know its determined, and there is a lot of political pressure from another side to say no its just a choice. It may be neither.


Maybe it is determined at birth, or maybe their is a predisposition at birth which results in a psychological state which can go one way or the other depending on early childhood environment. The environmental influence may have nothing to do with what we would recognize as something that might affect sexuality (eg nothing to do with same-gender parental interaction but simply something as random as B12 levels or something very complex - a multifactorial influence that we'll never be able to pin down). Of course if one developed that way - it wouldn't be entirely decided at birth - but it also would never be a conscious "choice" that you would make - your mind would have formed in that way and that's that.


Philosophically speaking - what the hell does it matter. Why does anyone have to justify themselves to anyone else.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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The post makes me think about how my, post WWI generation is really the first to not rely totally on natural selection. We had antibiotics, vaccines and other medical advances that caused us to survive, when we otherwise would not have.
In other words, we are the products of those before us who survived because of their strength, but civilization is now weakening.
Maybe, in the end modern medicine will cause the end of the human race, since not only the strong survive, but so do the weak.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Whittier
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Everything you are as a person right now. I'm not talking about your choices, lifestyle, decision, hobbies, and all the crap that you do everyday that you think makes you special, etc. I'm talking about YOU. What you are as a human being, physically and mentally. Many people are under the misconception that personality and anything regarding behavior is something ethereal and not physical. You are wrong.

Everything you consider "the inside" is nothing more than a byproduct of your brain, which is made of physical parts and components, which are 100% determined by your genetics. There is very little to nothing you can do to change how your brain is wired and how it operates. Your personality, character, temperament, inhibition or desinhibition, extroversion, introversion, intelligence, talents, etc, are mostly determined by how your brain is made.

Every single part about your physical appearance is determined by your genetics. Height, body shape, muscle shape, fat shape, skin color, hair color, facial hair, body hair, bone size, face, organs, how your body is wired and how every single part inside of you is made. Everything. It determines if you will suffer from health problems, how long you will live, how fast or slow you will age, if you will develop cancer or not, etc. There is very little you can do to alter these things.

Of course, humans will always refuse to accept this, because it leave them hopeless and powerless.

Humans will always put people with good genetics, which includes looks, talent and emotional aspects on a pedestal. This has happened since the history of mankind. We always look up to those are better than us.

Equally, we put down those who want to better themselves and who try to achieve what the people won the genetic lottery have. Example, such as plastic surgery and many other. It may be a form of jealousy and wanting to keep others down where you are.
This is absolutely false.

You put the smartest baby and the "dumbest" baby out in the woods without care and they will both die.

There are musicians who go unrecognized who have way more talent than most pop stars; yet who's smarter there?

Sometimes "better" is just working hard despite upbringing or genetics.

Is it perhaps easier for those with good genetics and a good upbringing, possibly. However there are those rich, good looking people with certain flaws. Perhaps they are depressed or suffer from depression. On the outside they "have it all" but inside they are suffering.

I agree we may be predisposed to certain things and have affinities toward certain things; if I'm 4' 10" it is impossible for me to play in the NBA, but there's a big grey area of talent and work that is being lost here.
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Old 10-13-2016, 10:20 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I agree with OP to a certain extent with a certain allowance for an occurence such as BAP:

AKA; Broad Autistic Phenotype. The developing theory is that there is a genetic predisposition for some DNA sequences to be more sensitive to a biochemical influence. This may be what lends itself to the "Spectrum" seen in Autism; with everything from the DIS-abilities to the savant abilities.

So the way I understand it is that the genes are passed down but not manifested in symptoms until triggered by a chemical influence. Or possibly biological as in the case of certain viruses.

If the possibility for BAP is confirmed then it would be reasonable to think that other "Broad Phenotypes" would exist also.
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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I disagree with the OP.

We adopted our daughter when she was six; she had been severely neglected by her bio mom. It would be very hard to imagine a more disagreeable, unpleasant, stubborn, mean, vindictive, and dishonest child -- all VERY understandable, of course. Despite us doing everything we could to provide a good and loving home for her, she left our home seven years ago to go back to her bio mom, saying she hated us and never wanted to see us again. But that's not the end of the story.

After a few very hard experiences including two arrests (one for assault, one for shoplifting) within a year of leaving us, she is now 25 years old and a changed person -- married, a very loving and attentive mother of three preschoolers, and a hard worker (she provides daycare for two additional children and also raises small farm animals) -- and she calls or e-mails us at least three times a week, always signing off with "I love you." She has also apologized for her early treatment of us several times. In short, both her personality and behavior took a 180-degree turn.

So, which is her true (natural) personality? Well, perhaps, BOTH -- it is possible that her personality just needed time to mature and develop -- but I firmly believe that her choices and her environment DID affect her personality and might have actually changed it.
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Convenient, so then nothing anyone does is their own fault, or responsibility! Not buying into this theory.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:16 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I disagree with the OP.

We adopted our daughter when she was six; she had been severely neglected by her bio mom. It would be very hard to imagine a more disagreeable, unpleasant, stubborn, mean, vindictive, and dishonest child -- all VERY understandable, of course. Despite us doing everything we could to provide a good and loving home for her, she left our home seven years ago to go back to her bio mom, saying she hated us and never wanted to see us again. But that's not the end of the story.

After a few very hard experiences including two arrests (one for assault, one for shoplifting) within a year of leaving us, she is now 25 years old and a changed person -- married, a very loving and attentive mother of three preschoolers, and a hard worker (she provides daycare for two additional children and also raises small farm animals) -- and she calls or e-mails us at least three times a week, always signing off with "I love you." She has also apologized for her early treatment of us several times. In short, both her personality and behavior took a 180-degree turn.

So, which is her true (natural) personality? Well, perhaps, BOTH -- it is possible that her personality just needed time to mature and develop -- but I firmly believe that her choices and her environment DID affect her personality and might have actually changed it.
That is very interesting! And; it also says alot about what a good job you did with her.

Question(s): What was her bio mom like when she reunited with her? Was she still flawed (as a mother)?
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