01-13-2011, 09:19 PM
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Sooo…. I got caught by a red light camera in Tempe and I have a few questions for all y’all. Firstly, I know this topic has been beaten to death, and yes I have done board searches- but a lot of information is old or people are talking about the speed cameras.
Anyway, I was turning left from Southern Ave. onto Rural and was caught by the camera. When the light turned to red, my car was completely in the crosswalk zone, so I guess that means I technically ran the light as I wasn’t in the middle square. So what I’ve been reading is that while you can ignore a speed camera ticket, the red light ones are definitely enforced. My roommate told me that Tempe’s budget is hurting, so they will definitely come find me. I was thinking of ignoring the ticket, but everyone whom I’ve talked to have had speed tickets, not red light ones so I don’t know what my outcome would be. I REALLY don’t want this on my record and for what it’s worth, I have a clean license. So here are my options. Should I:
1) Ignore it until I am served personally and then take action whether it is paying the ticket or going to court. (I’ve heard Scottsdale uses “alternative methods” to serve you, I’m not sure if Tempe does.)
2) Go to court and plead to the judge without a lawyer in hopes he will forgive me.
3) Take the defensive driving program, plus “survival course”and pay court fees.
4) Pay the ticket. (I’m pretty sure that I don’t want to do this, because I don’t want any record of this on my history, plus I have no $)
I’m really frustrated by this. Plus, all 3 motorists in the lanes to my right (even a guy on a motorcycle) went through the red light as well. One of them was even farther back from the lines than me. I’m flat broke and so if there is any way that I can avoid paying the fee then I am willing to chance it.
Aside from the fact that I ran the red light, what am I supposed to do if I find myself in this situation again? Should I stay parked in the crosswalk zone and let the pedestrians walk around my car next to the traffic and have oncoming traffic swerve around me? Or am I supposed to back up and risk rear-ending myself into the next car that comes up behind me?
Here is my photo for your scrutinizing:
01-13-2011, 09:32 PM
Location: Chicago
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01-13-2011, 09:59 PM
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Wow, those are awesome! I've always wanted something like that for my plate! But yeah, I guess you have to be inside the central square at the intersection to be let off.
01-13-2011, 10:58 PM
Location: Chicago
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analoxe
Wow, those are awesome! I've always wanted something like that for my plate! But yeah, I guess you have to be inside the central square at the intersection to be let off.
Wow. That is incredibly dicky.
01-14-2011, 12:02 AM
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Are points assessed against my driver's license for photo enforcement convictions?
Yes and No. In accordance with Arizona Administrative Code R17-4-404, Driver Point System, points are assessed by the Arizona MVD for each conviction reported to them by the Court. Each red light conviction is assigned two points, and each speed conviction is assigned three points. However the State of Arizona now has joined in the money frenzy. The photo radar tickets issued by the state carry no points and do not show on your license but do carry a hefty 181.00 fine.
i found it here
Arizona Speeding Ticket
may or may not be right. the law may have changed. does the ticket say it is reported to the DMV? the same red light cams have just been put in my city (colorado spring) and they do not report to our DMV! American Traffic Solutions, Inc. (ATS) is the same red light cam installer here and there.
hope this helps
01-14-2011, 12:16 AM
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01-14-2011, 02:20 AM
Location: Chicago
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phx07
The "overexposure reflector" cover doesn't work because the people processing the tickets can electronically adjust the exposure, that "spray" crap is an outright fraud, and the polarized covers are halfway successful at best. Not to mention license plate covers are illegal in many states, though apparently not in Arizona. (The flip-down and cover thingy might be illegal too but they're a lot harder to detect when they're not in use.) GPS devices are useful in telling you where the stupid cameras are and that's useful information, but they are no defense against getting a really crappy ticket like the OP got. The best combo would be a GPS red-light/speed-camera locator combined with a more active countermeasures such as those I linked to.
01-14-2011, 06:24 AM
Location: Phoenix
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I have a friend who bought one of those special covers. The police harrassed him until he removed it.
01-14-2011, 07:12 AM
Location: Tempe, Arizona
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phx07
......The photo radar tickets issued by the state carry no points and do not show on your license but do carry a hefty 181.00 fine. ...
However, the OP's ticket was issued by the city of Tempe, and not the state. The state deactivated their photo radar units last year. Here's info on Tempe photo radar:
http://www.tempe.gov/police/Trafficb...radar_FAQs.htm
01-14-2011, 08:27 AM
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I thought that the plastic covers for license plates were illegal in Arizona? And I’ve heard that the reflective spray doesn’t work.
On my ticket I can’t find anywhere where it says that it is reported to the DMV, but I assume that points will be assessed for all of my options (whether I pay the ticket, or go to court and lose) except for the defensive driving school- where it clearly states on the paper that points will not be assessed. I got a little curious and checked out the different driving school options and I was pretty amused that half of them are online! I can’t believe that I can get out of running a red light for taking an online course from a company called: “The Improv Traffic school” and “Safe 2 Drive!” These sites sound like a joke. I really hate to use the driving school option because it’s like using my get out of jail free card, and if this happens again in the next two years I can’t use this option again.
Also, under the option to attend driving school it says:”If selecting this option, you do not pay the court fine, you only pay the fee to the school.” Yet on this website: Maricopa County
under Tempe it says that there is a court fine of 105 dollars that I must pay, and the driving schools I just looked at said I have to pay that too. So I am super confused right now….what exactly is the court fine the ticket is talking about?
This is driving me nuts!! I’m going to avoid driving through these recorded intersections now if I can help it.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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