Diamondbacks looking to leave Chase Field citing lack of funds for Stadium Improvement due from Maricopa County (Phoenix: hotel, houses)

[phoenixmike11]

looks like the Suns are probably gonna get some $ as fast as they can to refurbish their arena so they can avoid a public vote on funding

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2018/1...Fjb_QhJBdhQR4Y

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...ea/2072513002/

[phoenixmike11]

Former AZ Republic comumnist Jon Talton's take on whether or not Phoenix should use public funds to keep the Suns (and Diamondbacks ) downtown

https://www.roguecolumnist.com/rogue...emma.html#more

the suns attendance is struggling
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...-worst-century

Perhaps a Suns/Coyotes move to North Scottsdale on reservation land might be the only long term feasible plan to keep the Coyotes long term in the Valley and avoid the Coyotes to another city

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by phoenixmike11

Former AZ Republic comumnist Jon Talton's take on whether or not Phoenix should use public funds to keep the Suns (and Diamondbacks ) downtown

https://www.roguecolumnist.com/rogue...emma.html#more

the suns attendance is struggling
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...-worst-century

Perhaps a Suns/Coyotes move to North Scottsdale on reservation land might be the only long term feasible plan to keep the Coyotes long term in the Valley and avoid the Coyotes to another city

North Scottsdale is not central enough of a location. If anywhere on reservation land it should be near the Phoenix Rising FC stadium.

[InchingWest]

Has anyone ever considered the idea of taxpayers NOT funding stadiums for billionaires?

They only do it because people are stupid enough to allow it. Of course they want the freebees. You work, you pay taxes, you fund their stadium, they make huge profits.

[SK115]

They shouldn't leave Chase Field. It's not even that old. They can just remodel it. There is nothing wrong with the stadium or location.

They can even demolish and rebuild in the same spot if the structure is truly that bad.

If they move, they need to stay centrally located, either in Phoenix, Tempe, or Scottsdale. Even in Mesa along the rail wouldn't be so bad if there are any tracts of land large enough.

I agree with the previous poster about locating on McKellips and 101 as opposed to Talking Stick. The space where the Scottsdale Six drive-in was would be a good spot in Scottsdale. It's still located close to the 202 and Tempe and it would hopefully drive development in the McDowell Corridor (which has long been called "tweakerville" or "the Scottsdale slums") They could build a whole entertainment district with dining, bars, retail, hotels, etc within that square mile.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by phoenixmike11

Perhaps a Suns/Coyotes move to North Scottsdale on reservation land might be the only long term feasible plan to keep the Coyotes long term in the Valley and avoid the Coyotes to another city

With Seattle almost certainly getting an NHL expansion team in a few years, looks like the Yotes will be moving to the Central Division of the Western Conference with Nashville, Chicago, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Colorado, Dallas, and St. Louis.

There are not too many places the Yotes can move, maybe Houston? The new owner of the Hurricanes is a Texan, but not the same Texan that owns the Houston Rockets that play in the Toyota Center that wants an NHL team.

Maybe Kansas City, but that market is small compared to Phoenix. Quebec City? Yet again that market is tiny and you would have to shift a Eastern Conference team to the Western Conference.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by InchingWest

Has anyone ever considered the idea of taxpayers NOT funding stadiums for billionaires?

They only do it because people are stupid enough to allow it. Of course they want the freebees. You work, you pay taxes, you fund their stadium, they make huge profits.

Did you not just see what NOVA and NYC gave Amazon, a trillion dollar company, to create an HQ2 in each of those places?

Rule #1 in becoming wealthy and rich, try and use as little of your own money as possible.
Rule #2, see Rule #1.

Most wealthy people didn't get that way by spending money they didn't have to.

The poorest of the poor and the wealthiest of the wealthy are the first two people in line for a government handout!

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by phoenixmike11

Perhaps a Suns/Coyotes move to North Scottsdale on reservation land might be the only long term feasible plan to keep the Coyotes long term in the Valley and avoid the Coyotes to another city

Once again: NO SPORTS FACILITIES ON RESERVATION LAND! Pro sports and the majority of entertainment centers should be centrally located, not out in the middle of virtually nowhere. Why would you want to move the Suns out to tribal land anyway? They're perfectly fine in the downtown arena, except the name of the venue is repulsively idiotic. Same with the DBacks: nothing wrong with Chase Field. It's asinine to try to fix what isn't broken.

Originally Posted by InchingWest

Has anyone ever considered the idea of taxpayers NOT funding stadiums for billionaires?

They only do it because people are stupid enough to allow it. Of course they want the freebees. You work, you pay taxes, you fund their stadium, they make huge profits.

Bravo! This sums it up perfectly.

[phoenixmike11]

The Suns woes are making national headlines in the NY Times (maybe they should improve and then ask for a new arena)

How to Improve the 4-17 Suns? Coach Kokoskov’s Got a List

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/29/s...-kokoskov.html

[InchingWest]

Originally Posted by InchingWest

Has anyone ever considered the idea of taxpayers NOT funding stadiums for billionaires?

They only do it because people are stupid enough to allow it. Of course they want the freebees. You work, you pay taxes, you fund their stadium, they make huge profits.

Originally Posted by cjseliga

Did you not just see what NOVA and NYC gave Amazon, a trillion dollar company, to create an HQ2 in each of those places?

Rule #1 in becoming wealthy and rich, try and use as little of your own money as possible.
Rule #2, see Rule #1.

Most wealthy people didn't get that way by spending money they didn't have to.

The poorest of the poor and the wealthiest of the wealthy are the first two people in line for a government handout!

What makes you think I support deals like that either? Of course I'm not a fan. No company should be allowed to get tax incentives to move to a certain location, and of course I'm well aware that the path to wealth these days actually comes down to tax avoidance and not spending your own money and paving your own way.

But what's good for the goose needs to be good for the gander, and if Amazon gets tax incentives then I should be allowed the option of getting the same incentives. Either all people and businesses get the same opportunities or no one does.

The problem is that small businesses and would-be entrepreneurs are shut out of the market and we don't get the same breaks as the big guys. Good luck to NOVA and NYC though, especially in regards to an ever increasing transportation burden, but once again it'll be the individual and the small business owner who will shoulder the burden of taxation to prop up Amazon (and all the government workers there, and the defense contractors and so forth).