Phoenix not quite so much in the "red" (house, live)

[Voebe]

The trend continues.



"There are limits to what people can take with the irresponsibility, the untruthfulness, just the whole persona,” said Jeff Flake, the former Republican senator from Arizona.

https://www.mcall.com/news/nation-wo...mmu-story.html

[WK91]

Originally Posted by Voebe

The trend continues.



"There are limits to what people can take with the irresponsibility, the untruthfulness, just the whole persona,” said Jeff Flake, the former Republican senator from Arizona.

https://www.mcall.com/news/nation-wo...mmu-story.html

I think Flake misinterpreted Trump’s popularity. Arizona is purple, so Flake is like most politicians in Arizona, which is very moderate. For an example, I think Sinema has voted with Republicans more often than most any other Democratic Senator.

But Flake thought he could criticize Trump and it wouldn’t hurt him at re-election time. He was completely wrong on that.

It’s easy for him to say that he stuck to his principles and the job was secondary. But he’s a politician first and foremost, and I’d bet that if he could go back, he’d find ways to be more less critical of Trump.

I mean it was bizarre. He voted with Trump’s policies most of the time, there was no need for him to become one of the thousands of voices against Trump.

[Casey73]

Originally Posted by WK91

I think Flake misinterpreted Trump’s popularity. Arizona is purple, so Flake is like most politicians in Arizona, which is very moderate. For an example, I think Sinema has voted with Republicans more often than most any other Democratic Senator.

But Flake thought he could criticize Trump and it wouldn’t hurt him at re-election time. He was completely wrong on that.

It’s easy for him to say that he stuck to his principles and the job was secondary. But he’s a politician first and foremost, and I’d bet that if he could go back, he’d find ways to be more less critical of Trump.

I mean it was bizarre. He voted with Trump’s policies most of the time, there was no need for him to become one of the thousands of voices against Trump.

Flake like his fellow Mormon Romney, is a RINO, as was McCain. None of them were ever true conservatives. They went along to get along. Sinema may be voting with Republicans, but the rules of the long march require patience. If, God forbid, the senate goes democrat majority, Sinema is going to take a hard left. She's just waiting for the right time. I don't trust her.

[Hschlick84]

What does AZ keep electing RINOs and fake conservatives? What happened to fiscal conservatives or libertarian candidates that promoted freedom across the board?

[Bondurant]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

What does AZ keep electing RINOs and fake conservatives? What happened to fiscal conservatives or libertarian candidates that promoted freedom across the board?

Was this ever really a reality in Arizona? This state was responsible for one of the premier statesmen of the 20th century but it seems like Goldwater was more of a lightening in a bottle politician than a reflection of Arizona. This state has never sent another like him to any office at the state or federal level since. Politically speaking Arizona has been an incredible letdown in the decade I have lived here. Thought I was moving to Goldwater country. Boy was I wrong.

[Casey73]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

What does AZ keep electing RINOs and fake conservatives? What happened to fiscal conservatives or libertarian candidates that promoted freedom across the board?

I voted for McCain every time he ran not because I liked him much, but because I won't vote for any democrat. He was the lesser of two evils. Sad but true. The only exception I've made to my no democrat rule was when I voted for Penzone because Arpaio should have retired long before he was voted out of office. McCain, Romney and Flake represent everything that is wrong with the republican party.[mod cut - remove denigration of other party]

[49erfan916]

Not hard to imagine. Ex Californians, like me, are moving here with our liberal views and ruining your great state. Sorry about that.

[SK115]

Arizona is a purple state. They are most likely to elect moderates in statewide races, from both parties.

While some might call McCain, Flake, and Romney RINOS, that is the only type of Republican that Arizona will elect to a statewide post nowadays.

Sinema is a very moderate democrat, maybe the most moderate one in the senate after Manchin. She is far-removed from the progressive wing of the party. Kelly seems moderate as well, but it's too early to tell until we see his voting record

McSally is a far-right conservative and massive Trump supporter and she already lost one race, and it seems that she will lose the other.

Arizona is not California but it's not Alabama either.

[jgustav]

Originally Posted by SK115

Arizona is a purple state. They are most likely to elect moderates in statewide races, from both parties.

While some might call McCain, Flake, and Romney RINOS, that is the only type of Republican that Arizona will elect to a statewide post nowadays.

Sinema is a very moderate democrat, maybe the most moderate one in the senate after Manchin. She is far-removed from the progressive wing of the party. Kelly seems moderate as well, but it's too early to tell until we see his voting record

McSally is a far-right conservative and massive Trump supporter and she already lost one race, and it seems that she will lose the other.

Arizona is not California but it's not Alabama either.

Would disagree with your views on Sinema being a moderate Democrat and McSally being a far-right conservative. Their liberty scores based on voting record within conservative review are 0% and 40%, both earned F grades. The most conservative AZ House members are Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar, both receiving A grades.

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/scorecard/

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by jgustav

Would disagree with your views on Sinema being a moderate Democrat and McSally being a far-right conservative. Their liberty scores based on voting record within conservative review are 0% and 40%, both earned F grades. The most conservative AZ House members are Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar, both receiving A grades.

https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/scorecard/

LOL, they gave Trump bootlicker McSally an F. Scary to think about what one would have to do for that site to give out a passing grade.

Sinema is as moderate a Democrat as they come. She’s voted with Republicans more than any other Democrat senator except one. Probably better to do your own research than go off of a random website.