Article on the safety and decline of Monroeville Mall (crime rates, wages)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghYinzer

Unless it has dramatically changed since I took the hunters safety course, there is nothing in there to prepare one to properly handle a gun in a panic situation and subdue an armed attacker.

It teaches one how to properly handle a gun. As far as a panic situation, if one panics and can't handle the situation, pretty sure they're going to run the other way...or end up being a shot bystander.

Assuming everybody that carries a gun can't handle a panic situation is unrealistic.

[PghYinzer]

Originally Posted by erieguy

It teaches one how to properly handle a gun. As far as a panic situation, if one panics and can't handle the situation, pretty sure they're going to run the other way...or end up being a shot bystander.

Assuming everybody that carries a gun can't handle a panic situation is unrealistic.

I would assume if you are standing in Macy’s picking out socks and all of sudden someone starts shooting at you, the majority of individuals wouldn’t default into Van Damme mode and be able to handle the situation.

Yes I can handle a gun while hunting or at a shooting range, but being able to react, think clearly, and formulate a clear enough chain of thoughts to actually achieve anything when caught off guard in a situation that is not normally full of shooting is not very likely.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghYinzer

I would assume if you are standing in Macy’s picking out socks and all of sudden someone starts shooting at you, the majority of individuals wouldn’t default into Van Damme mode and be able to handle the situation.

Yes I can handle a gun while hunting or at a shooting range, but being able to react, think clearly, and formulate a clear enough chain of thoughts to actually achieve anything when caught off guard in a situation that is not normally full of shooting is not very likely.

Anybody that carries a gun should be be prepared to use it or they shouldn't carry it.

Again, the assumption that everybody has the same inability as themselves, isn't realistic.

[PghYinzer]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Anybody that carries a gun should be be prepared to use it or they shouldn't carry it.

Again, the assumption that everybody has the same inability as themselves, isn't realistic.

A lot of SHOULD in that situation, and no ability to tell if they actually can use it properly. However in the long run it is better to risk that some might not know how to properly use it just in case a few may.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghYinzer

A lot of SHOULD in that situation, and no ability to tell if they actually can use it properly. However in the long run it is better to risk that some might not know how to properly use it just in case a few may.

Many assume that others can't do something because they can't or don't do it themselves. Most everybody knows what happens when one assumes.

[PghYinzer]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Many assume that others can't do something because they can't or don't do it themselves. Most everybody knows what happens when one assumes.

Not me, there are millions of things I can’t or won’t do that I know others can. I am not anti-gun or even against people carrying them. What I am against is the belief that there are all of these people that are able to step in and save the day when a situation arises.

Believe in gun rights because it is a right, but don’t stand behind some mythical Clint Eastwoodesque notion that some shaky handed Mr. Magoo who took his gun safety course in 1965 and knows how to properly handle a weapon is ready to confront the gunman and save the day.

[Der Schwabe]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Many assume that others can't do something because they can't or don't do it themselves. Most everybody knows what happens when one assumes.

You are assuming that someone carrying will have the ability. When you assume this and bystanders are hit by a reactive bystander who does not have the cool, calculating skill you assume, additional victims are injured.

I realize you will just restate the same flawed logic for the fifth time, but repetition does not make it true. Just because you think there are people ready and capable of reacting in the situation doesn't make it true. You are assuming an ability that is most often seen in the movies but rarely in the real world. People make mistakes and concealed carry requires little more than a background check. Why should we have faith in random untrained individuals?

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Der Schwabe

You are assuming that someone carrying will have the ability. When you assume this and bystanders are hit by a reactive bystander who does not have the cool, calculating skill you assume, additional victims are injured.

I realize you will just restate the same flawed logic for the fifth time, but repetition does not make it true. Just because you think there are people ready and capable of reacting in the situation doesn't make it true. You are assuming an ability that is most often seen in the movies but rarely in the real world. People make mistakes and concealed carry requires little more than a background check. Why should we have faith in random untrained individuals?

And you're assuming they won't. I'm also not saying 100% will have the ability but I will say the majority will have the ability and in a life or death situation it's certainly better to take a chance.

[PghYinzer]

Originally Posted by erieguy

And you're assuming they won't. I'm also not saying 100% will have the ability but I will say the majority will have the ability and in a life or death situation it's certainly better to take a chance.

That chance you are willing to take could change someone’s life situation into a death situation because the person was not able to handle the situation. It could also change someone’s death situation into a life situation.

Maybe we should have random violence shooter training and testing before you get a permit to carry. You have to take a test before you can drive a car, so why not before you can carry a gun in public.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by PghYinzer

Not me, there are millions of things I can’t or won’t do that I know others can. I am not anti-gun or even against people carrying them. What I am against is the belief that there are all of these people that are able to step in and save the day when a situation arises.

Believe in gun rights because it is a right, but don’t stand behind some mythical Clint Eastwoodesque notion that some shaky handed Mr. Magoo who took his gun safety course in 1965 and knows how to properly handle a weapon is ready to confront the gunman and save the day.

That's your opinion and until proven otherwise I'll take a chance on somebody being able to handle the situation.